"Shake" diets - doubts over the idea
Discussion
My boss has just started one - just seems wrong:
A shake for breakfast and a shake for lunch. Both about 225 cals.
He also has a banana so call it 300. That's 600 to last all day. Then you supposed to have a 600 cal tea.
Seems a bit hardcore - 1200 cals - wouldn't the body go into starvation mode and slow metabolism? Also wouldn't feel too good going on so little, especially when combined with nights at the gym.
The main point tho - is that I'm sat having a nice bowl of hearty vegetable tagine soup - which cost 50p and only has 190 cals! It also has half the sugar!!!
A shake for breakfast and a shake for lunch. Both about 225 cals.
He also has a banana so call it 300. That's 600 to last all day. Then you supposed to have a 600 cal tea.
Seems a bit hardcore - 1200 cals - wouldn't the body go into starvation mode and slow metabolism? Also wouldn't feel too good going on so little, especially when combined with nights at the gym.
The main point tho - is that I'm sat having a nice bowl of hearty vegetable tagine soup - which cost 50p and only has 190 cals! It also has half the sugar!!!
My brothers girlfriend did the shake diet, literally only had shakes for weeks on end. She lost a hell of a lot of weight and was a good short term solution, but it's not exactly maintainable is it? Still if I were considerably bigger and wanted to see drastic results I would try it for a few weeks.
600 cals a day is more than you think too. I did the 5:2 diet a while ago and 600 cals use to stretch to 3 square meals a day if choosing the right stuff.
600 cals a day is more than you think too. I did the 5:2 diet a while ago and 600 cals use to stretch to 3 square meals a day if choosing the right stuff.
torqueofthedevil said:
A shake for breakfast and a shake for lunch. Both about 225 cals.
He also has a banana so call it 300. That's 600 to last all day. Then you supposed to have a 600 cal tea.
Seems a bit hardcore - 1200 cals - wouldn't the body go into starvation mode and slow metabolism? Also wouldn't feel too good going on so little, especially when combined with nights at the gym.
The main point tho - is that I'm sat having a nice bowl of hearty vegetable tagine soup - which cost 50p and only has 190 cals! It also has half the sugar!!!
Certainly seems hardcore. I'd like to know how much weight loss is fat and how much muscle.He also has a banana so call it 300. That's 600 to last all day. Then you supposed to have a 600 cal tea.
Seems a bit hardcore - 1200 cals - wouldn't the body go into starvation mode and slow metabolism? Also wouldn't feel too good going on so little, especially when combined with nights at the gym.
The main point tho - is that I'm sat having a nice bowl of hearty vegetable tagine soup - which cost 50p and only has 190 cals! It also has half the sugar!!!
What brand shake and what is the protein content? Does he exercise at all?
HonestIago said:
Virtually guaranteed to gain back all the weight lost. 5:2 is an excellent LONG TERM weight loss/improved health solution.
Anonamoose said:
Saying that though shake diets are notorious for quick results followed closely by massive weight gain.
I gotta disagree with both of you on this account, if you follow the diet properly then you don't. Take Cambridge Weight Plan (probably the most medically tested and proved diet in the world)Follow the steps correctly, which include a VLC "Shake diet" and then reintroducing food and how to manage your meals correctly (correct portion size as well as correct amounts of meat/protein/carbs ect). Its an excellent way to loose weight and keep it off. However if you only do the "loose weight fast bit", and then don't follow the rest and simply go back to eating 3000+ cal's a day, then yes you will put all the weight back on. But is that the diets fault?
Anonamoose said:
I only eat 1200 cals a day maximum, most days I only manage 1000. I never feel deprived of anything. Saying that though shake diets are notorious for quick results followed closely by massive weight gain.
What sort of size are you? I ask as you eat roughly the same amount of calories as me.I started using that 'my fitness pal' app last week and have been keeping a rough guide of my intake.
On average I'm eating roughly 1000 calories a day, which consists of either a lunch or a dinner, rarely both. Coupled with the fact I do kickboxing 3 days a week and some weights 2/3 days a week, I think I'm undereating by quite a bit.
What I do eat though isn't too bad, minimal junk food and sugar; but not as healthy/wholesome as some people.
I do use protein shakes, albeit not religiously. I tend to have one after training, so 3/4 times a week.
KrazyIvan said:
HonestIago said:
Virtually guaranteed to gain back all the weight lost. 5:2 is an excellent LONG TERM weight loss/improved health solution.
Anonamoose said:
Saying that though shake diets are notorious for quick results followed closely by massive weight gain.
I gotta disagree with both of you on this account, if you follow the diet properly then you don't. Take Cambridge Weight Plan (probably the most medically tested and proved diet in the world)Follow the steps correctly, which include a VLC "Shake diet" and then reintroducing food and how to manage your meals correctly (correct portion size as well as correct amounts of meat/protein/carbs ect). Its an excellent way to loose weight and keep it off. However if you only do the "loose weight fast bit", and then don't follow the rest and simply go back to eating 3000+ cal's a day, then yes you will put all the weight back on. But is that the diets fault?
Anonamoose said:
KrazyIvan said:
HonestIago said:
Virtually guaranteed to gain back all the weight lost. 5:2 is an excellent LONG TERM weight loss/improved health solution.
Anonamoose said:
Saying that though shake diets are notorious for quick results followed closely by massive weight gain.
I gotta disagree with both of you on this account, if you follow the diet properly then you don't. Take Cambridge Weight Plan (probably the most medically tested and proved diet in the world)Follow the steps correctly, which include a VLC "Shake diet" and then reintroducing food and how to manage your meals correctly (correct portion size as well as correct amounts of meat/protein/carbs ect). Its an excellent way to loose weight and keep it off. However if you only do the "loose weight fast bit", and then don't follow the rest and simply go back to eating 3000+ cal's a day, then yes you will put all the weight back on. But is that the diets fault?
As I said, if you follow the steps, heed the support and advice offered, you will break your bad habits, learn new ones and in the process learn why you have a bad association with food, as well as triggers that cause eating issues. If however you only do half of the diet (the loose weight bit) go back to your old ways before learning the correct/healthy way to eat and do not learn from your mistakes, that is still not the diets fault, but yours and will be the case with most of people who put the weight back on. There are literally hundreds of accounts of people who have done VLC's improved their lives and maintained there weight at a healthy level.
As for the money, well if everyone who lost weight put it all back on it would be a flash in the pan fad diet (body by V, Cabbage diet ect ect) Cambridge Weight Plan has been around for 30 years.
KrazyIvan said:
You could not be more wrong, and I cannot suggest enough that you do some actual research in to the Cambridge Weight Plan and it history, before you spout such utter nonsense.
As I said, if you follow the steps, heed the support and advice offered, you will break your bad habits, learn new ones and in the process learn why you have a bad association with food, as well as triggers that cause eating issues. If however you only do half of the diet (the loose weight bit) go back to your old ways before learning the correct/healthy way to eat and do not learn from your mistakes, that is still not the diets fault, but yours and will be the case with most of people who put the weight back on. There are literally hundreds of accounts of people who have done VLC's improved their lives and maintained there weight at a healthy level.
As for the money, well if everyone who lost weight put it all back on it would be a flash in the pan fad diet (body by V, Cabbage diet ect ect) Cambridge Weight Plan has been around for 30 years.
I'm not looking for an argument on this, I've done hours of research on meal replacement diets as I've been tempted before to start the Cambridge diet and I still don't believe they work for the majority of people. I'm not saying it fails for everyone and I'd say from your vociferous defense that it has worked for you, which is great. That doesn't change my opinion that no one needs to pay out money for 'shakes' and meal plans/meals delivered. As for why they have been around so long it's probably because people want a quick fix without the hardwork and Cambridge et al offer quick rapid weight loss and as a nation we are getting fatter every year and more desperate for a miracle cure. As I said, if you follow the steps, heed the support and advice offered, you will break your bad habits, learn new ones and in the process learn why you have a bad association with food, as well as triggers that cause eating issues. If however you only do half of the diet (the loose weight bit) go back to your old ways before learning the correct/healthy way to eat and do not learn from your mistakes, that is still not the diets fault, but yours and will be the case with most of people who put the weight back on. There are literally hundreds of accounts of people who have done VLC's improved their lives and maintained there weight at a healthy level.
As for the money, well if everyone who lost weight put it all back on it would be a flash in the pan fad diet (body by V, Cabbage diet ect ect) Cambridge Weight Plan has been around for 30 years.
The Beaver King said:
What sort of size are you? I ask as you eat roughly the same amount of calories as me.
I started using that 'my fitness pal' app last week and have been keeping a rough guide of my intake.
On average I'm eating roughly 1000 calories a day, which consists of either a lunch or a dinner, rarely both. Coupled with the fact I do kickboxing 3 days a week and some weights 2/3 days a week, I think I'm undereating by quite a bit.
What I do eat though isn't too bad, minimal junk food and sugar; but not as healthy/wholesome as some people.
I do use protein shakes, albeit not religiously. I tend to have one after training, so 3/4 times a week.
I weigh 12st 9lb and I'm 5'8. I generally either have porridge or protein shake for breakfast with skim milk. Then a chicken wrap and chicken kebab or a couple of chicken legs for lunch , some days with some salad. Then for dinner I'll have another wrap if it's a training day or chicken/steak with veg. I do occasionally have fish, some days I'll have a bag of snack a jacks if I'm particularly hungry. And some days I'll has some chocolate, although I've given that up for lent I started using that 'my fitness pal' app last week and have been keeping a rough guide of my intake.
On average I'm eating roughly 1000 calories a day, which consists of either a lunch or a dinner, rarely both. Coupled with the fact I do kickboxing 3 days a week and some weights 2/3 days a week, I think I'm undereating by quite a bit.
What I do eat though isn't too bad, minimal junk food and sugar; but not as healthy/wholesome as some people.
I do use protein shakes, albeit not religiously. I tend to have one after training, so 3/4 times a week.
I train 6 days a week. 4 days doing a boot camp outdoors 45 mins and 2 days doing cardio/weights at the gym. I very rarely eat back my calories burnt either.
I log everything on mfp as well and have lost a lot more weight since starting that than I had before I started.
Anonamoose said:
KrazyIvan said:
You could not be more wrong, and I cannot suggest enough that you do some actual research in to the Cambridge Weight Plan and it history, before you spout such utter nonsense.
As I said, if you follow the steps, heed the support and advice offered, you will break your bad habits, learn new ones and in the process learn why you have a bad association with food, as well as triggers that cause eating issues. If however you only do half of the diet (the loose weight bit) go back to your old ways before learning the correct/healthy way to eat and do not learn from your mistakes, that is still not the diets fault, but yours and will be the case with most of people who put the weight back on. There are literally hundreds of accounts of people who have done VLC's improved their lives and maintained there weight at a healthy level.
As for the money, well if everyone who lost weight put it all back on it would be a flash in the pan fad diet (body by V, Cabbage diet ect ect) Cambridge Weight Plan has been around for 30 years.
I'm not looking for an argument on this, I've done hours of research on meal replacement diets as I've been tempted before to start the Cambridge diet and I still don't believe they work for the majority of people. I'm not saying it fails for everyone and I'd say from your vociferous defence that it has worked for you, which is great. That doesn't change my opinion that no one needs to pay out money for 'shakes' and meal plans/meals delivered. As for why they have been around so long it's probably because people want a quick fix without the hardwork and Cambridge et al offer quick rapid weight loss and as a nation we are getting fatter every year and more desperate for a miracle cure. As I said, if you follow the steps, heed the support and advice offered, you will break your bad habits, learn new ones and in the process learn why you have a bad association with food, as well as triggers that cause eating issues. If however you only do half of the diet (the loose weight bit) go back to your old ways before learning the correct/healthy way to eat and do not learn from your mistakes, that is still not the diets fault, but yours and will be the case with most of people who put the weight back on. There are literally hundreds of accounts of people who have done VLC's improved their lives and maintained there weight at a healthy level.
As for the money, well if everyone who lost weight put it all back on it would be a flash in the pan fad diet (body by V, Cabbage diet ect ect) Cambridge Weight Plan has been around for 30 years.
I agree that as a nation we have a major problem, and this is why Cambridge is going back to its roots and is now working within the NHS to tackle the obesity problem......and now I am well of the OP's topic
KrazyIvan said:
Anonamoose said:
KrazyIvan said:
HonestIago said:
Virtually guaranteed to gain back all the weight lost. 5:2 is an excellent LONG TERM weight loss/improved health solution.
Anonamoose said:
Saying that though shake diets are notorious for quick results followed closely by massive weight gain.
I gotta disagree with both of you on this account, if you follow the diet properly then you don't. Take Cambridge Weight Plan (probably the most medically tested and proved diet in the world)Follow the steps correctly, which include a VLC "Shake diet" and then reintroducing food and how to manage your meals correctly (correct portion size as well as correct amounts of meat/protein/carbs ect). Its an excellent way to loose weight and keep it off. However if you only do the "loose weight fast bit", and then don't follow the rest and simply go back to eating 3000+ cal's a day, then yes you will put all the weight back on. But is that the diets fault?
As I said, if you follow the steps, heed the support and advice offered, you will break your bad habits, learn new ones and in the process learn why you have a bad association with food, as well as triggers that cause eating issues. If however you only do half of the diet (the loose weight bit) go back to your old ways before learning the correct/healthy way to eat and do not learn from your mistakes, that is still not the diets fault, but yours and will be the case with most of people who put the weight back on. There are literally hundreds of accounts of people who have done VLC's improved their lives and maintained there weight at a healthy level.
As for the money, well if everyone who lost weight put it all back on it would be a flash in the pan fad diet (body by V, Cabbage diet ect ect) Cambridge Weight Plan has been around for 30 years.
The biggest problems are really the lack of some consistent, unbiased, free and sensible advice on diet/exercise (from a reliable source), commitment from the person involved and an acceptance that it is probably best in most cases to accept that it will take a little while to happen.
Best 'till last. Hackneyed phrase it may be but is about lifestyle change rather than a diet (whoever sells it). The biggest thing for most people is waking up to that/hitting that personal tipping point.
A friend of mine runs a pharmacy and they are part of the lipotrim scheme - three shakes a day, about 700-900 kcals a day I think and you have to have a BMI over 30 to be eligible. Anyway he has seen some incredible results however they don't follow up their patients long so if people return to their old eating and (lack of) exercise habits then one would assume they'll be back to square one.
Anonamoose said:
I weigh 12st 9lb and I'm 5'8. I generally either have porridge or protein shake for breakfast with skim milk. Then a chicken wrap and chicken kebab or a couple of chicken legs for lunch , some days with some salad. Then for dinner I'll have another wrap if it's a training day or chicken/steak with veg. I do occasionally have fish, some days I'll have a bag of snack a jacks if I'm particularly hungry. And some days I'll has some chocolate, although I've given that up for lent
I train 6 days a week. 4 days doing a boot camp outdoors 45 mins and 2 days doing cardio/weights at the gym. I very rarely eat back my calories burnt either.
I log everything on mfp as well and have lost a lot more weight since starting that than I had before I started.
Ah, well I'm 6'1 and 15st 6lb. I train 6 days a week. 4 days doing a boot camp outdoors 45 mins and 2 days doing cardio/weights at the gym. I very rarely eat back my calories burnt either.
I log everything on mfp as well and have lost a lot more weight since starting that than I had before I started.
Food wise I tend to have peanut butter on toast for breakfast and mixture of chicken/dry cured meats/sandwiches for lunch (if I have lunch). Dinner tends to be chicken or fish based with carrot and swede mash/roast potatoes/pasta etc, so I'm not carb shy
Snack wise I eat a fair amount of nuts, I tend to keep a couple of bags in my desk at work.
The biggest thing in my favour is I don't really have a sweet tooth; so I drink/eat very little fizzy drinks/sweets/chocolate etc.
I do wonder if I'm undereating for my size though. I've only really got back to doing weights in the last month, and while I've had that initial burst of size increase, I'm fairly sure I'm going to plateau soon due to my diet.
Eating is the hardest thing about training I find. My diet is so random and stop/start, I really struggle to eat above 2000 calories a day and with any kind of regularity. Anybody found a way to get round this or a system to use that push them into a better diet?
The Beaver King said:
Ah, well I'm 6'1 and 15st 6lb.
Food wise I tend to have peanut butter on toast for breakfast and mixture of chicken/dry cured meats/sandwiches for lunch (if I have lunch). Dinner tends to be chicken or fish based with carrot and swede mash/roast potatoes/pasta etc, so I'm not carb shy
Snack wise I eat a fair amount of nuts, I tend to keep a couple of bags in my desk at work.
The biggest thing in my favour is I don't really have a sweet tooth; so I drink/eat very little fizzy drinks/sweets/chocolate etc.
I do wonder if I'm undereating for my size though. I've only really got back to doing weights in the last month, and while I've had that initial burst of size increase, I'm fairly sure I'm going to plateau soon due to my diet.
Eating is the hardest thing about training I find. My diet is so random and stop/start, I really struggle to eat above 2000 calories a day and with any kind of regularity. Anybody found a way to get round this or a system to use that push them into a better diet?
One or other of the bold statements is utter bFood wise I tend to have peanut butter on toast for breakfast and mixture of chicken/dry cured meats/sandwiches for lunch (if I have lunch). Dinner tends to be chicken or fish based with carrot and swede mash/roast potatoes/pasta etc, so I'm not carb shy
Snack wise I eat a fair amount of nuts, I tend to keep a couple of bags in my desk at work.
The biggest thing in my favour is I don't really have a sweet tooth; so I drink/eat very little fizzy drinks/sweets/chocolate etc.
I do wonder if I'm undereating for my size though. I've only really got back to doing weights in the last month, and while I've had that initial burst of size increase, I'm fairly sure I'm going to plateau soon due to my diet.
Eating is the hardest thing about training I find. My diet is so random and stop/start, I really struggle to eat above 2000 calories a day and with any kind of regularity. Anybody found a way to get round this or a system to use that push them into a better diet?
ks. Sorry, but you can't reach 15 stone without eating over 2k/day...KrazyIvan said:
HonestIago said:
Virtually guaranteed to gain back all the weight lost. 5:2 is an excellent LONG TERM weight loss/improved health solution.
Anonamoose said:
Saying that though shake diets are notorious for quick results followed closely by massive weight gain.
I gotta disagree with both of you on this account, if you follow the diet properly then you don't. Take Cambridge Weight Plan (probably the most medically tested and proved diet in the world)Follow the steps correctly, which include a VLC "Shake diet" and then reintroducing food and how to manage your meals correctly (correct portion size as well as correct amounts of meat/protein/carbs ect). Its an excellent way to loose weight and keep it off. However if you only do the "loose weight fast bit", and then don't follow the rest and simply go back to eating 3000+ cal's a day, then yes you will put all the weight back on. But is that the diets fault?
TX.
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