MMR Vaccine

[zedstar]

Hi all,

I know theres been much research saying that theres no link between MMR and autism, but seeing as i've got a autistic cousin, and his brothers son is autistic also i thought i'd double check before putting Zedstar jnr through the MMR.

My cousin with the autistic son has done lots of research, goes to conferences etc and is very much against the MMR, so much so that he vaccinated his daughter (not autisitic) with seperate jabs and told me to do the same. He's also convinced that to some level in a very small amount of children the MMR vaccine brings out the autism. He's a very level headed intelligent guy and not some conspiracy theorist so i'm always inclined to listen at least to what he says. I tried to get the seperate jabs but you can't get seperate mumps now (!) so the options are as follows,

1. Just get the MMR and accept that autism and MMR are non related
2. Get the seperate Measles and Rubelle vaccine and hope for the best i.e. no mumps
3. Get the seperate Measles and Rubelle vaccine and then give him the MMR when hes older
4. Wait another six months until he's 18 months and then maybe make sure hes ok before giving him the MMR?

Does anyone have any opinions on the above?

[C0ffin D0dger]

Both my kids have had the MMR and no sign of anything bad so far. My wife is a therapist that used to work with autistic kids so she knows what to look for. That said the wife reckons I'm a little bit on the "spectrum", probably applies to quite a few in Engineering professions, so I wouldn't be surprised if my kids weren't entirely normal.

Anyway I tend to say go for it and the potential complications from any of the diseases vaccinated against could cause many far worse issues further down the line.

[knk]

There is no link between MMR and autism.
This follows large scale and powerful prospective and retrospective study and meta-analysis.
Wakefield's Lancet paper was utterly false.

[Pothole]

zedstar said:

Hi all,

I know theres been much research saying that theres no link between MMR and autism, but seeing as i've got a autistic cousin, and his brothers son is autistic also i thought i'd double check before putting Zedstar jnr through the MMR.

My cousin with the autistic son has done lots of research,

Except he hasn't. He's found some article which agree with his already biased point of view.

THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN AUTISM AND MMR VACCINE.

[FunkyNige]

knk said:

There is no link between MMR and autism.
This follows large scale and powerful prospective and retrospective study and meta-analysis.
Wakefield's Lancet paper was utterly false.

More than false - fraud.
http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452

[durbster]

The MMR-Autism study was garbage. It's been totally and utterly discredited:
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2007/January08/Pages/MMRvac...

[popeyewhite]

Separate jabs. Some courts are awarding damages for 'Vaccine damage' which caused encephalopathy and lead to serious injury including symptoms of autism:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468...

[knk]

Separate immunisations will not in any way protect against the rare complication of encephalitis.

In fact, it may well triple the risk, as there are three time the number of immunisations given (if we want to scaremonger).

MMR is safe and effective.

[popeyewhite]

knk said:

Separate immunisations will not in any way protect against the rare complication of encephalitis.

In fact, it may well triple the risk, as there are three time the number of immunisations given (if we want to scaremonger).

And it may well not. To concerned parents it may represent a third of the risk to have the jabs separately.

knk said:

MMR is safe and effective.

The court found otherwise.

"A year and a half later the government conceded the MMR vaccine had indeed caused Ryan's encephalopathy."

[knk]

All the evidence (and there is a huge amount) demonstrates MMR is safe and effective.

No evidence indicates single immunisations are safer or more effective.

[popeyewhite]

knk said:

All the evidence (and there is a huge amount) demonstrates MMR is safe and effective.

No evidence indicates single immunisations are safer or more effective.

Take your argument up with the court.

[durbster]

popeyewhite said:

Take your argument up with the court.

No treatment is 100% safe for everyone.

[popeyewhite]

durbster said:

popeyewhite said:

Take your argument up with the court.

No treatment is 100% safe for everyone.

It wasn't the first case before the 'vaccine court'. The cases here are mostly based on 'vaccine damage' - ie the act of vaccinating the child has caused long term injury...

[durbster]

popeyewhite said:

durbster said:

popeyewhite said:

Take your argument up with the court.

No treatment is 100% safe for everyone.

It wasn't the first case before the 'vaccine court'. The cases here are mostly based on 'vaccine damage' - ie the act of vaccinating the child has caused long term injury...

So you have to put these stories into perspective. It's always been known that there are very rare cases of people reacting badly to vaccinations.

But there are rare cases of people reacting badly to pretty much anything.

Even water!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquagenic_urticaria

[FlyingMeeces]

popeyewhite said:

durbster said:

popeyewhite said:

Take your argument up with the court.

No treatment is 100% safe for everyone.

It wasn't the first case before the 'vaccine court'. The cases here are mostly based on 'vaccine damage' - ie the act of vaccinating the child has caused long term injury...

Correct, but it's nothing to do with MMR, really. As with all medical interventions there is a minuscule risk - about a hundredth of one percent - that it'll be the trigger for something to kick off. As a society it's the price we pay for the protection from much, much worse odds. The vaccine court compensates those who pay that price, because it would be wrong not to, but it's not in the slightest bit evidence of any kind of problem with vaccines as such - it's an incidence far, far lower than allergy, than asthma, than… anything really.

[popeyewhite]

FlyingMeeces said:

Correct, but it's nothing to do with MMR, really.

There is a growing body of evidence which suggests vaccinations, more so multiple vaccinations, can cause serious injury to the child's brain. I don't for a minute believe, nor did I state, that the MMR vaccine itself directly causes autism.

[knk]

popeyewhite said:

There is a growing body of evidence which suggests vaccinations, more so multiple vaccinations, can cause serious injury to the child's brain. I don't for a minute believe, nor did I state, that the MMR vaccine itself directly causes autism.

No, there is not.

[durbster]

popeyewhite said:

There is a growing body of evidence which suggests vaccinations, more so multiple vaccinations, can cause serious injury to the child's brain. I don't for a minute believe, nor did I state, that the MMR vaccine itself directly causes autism.

Correction: there is a growing body of unqualified people writing st on the internet that suggests vaccinations are a problem.

[popeyewhite]

durbster said:

Correction: there is a growing body of unqualified people writing st on the internet that suggests vaccinations are a problem.

No doubt you have the qualifications to make that statement.

[durbster]

popeyewhite said:

durbster said:

Correction: there is a growing body of unqualified people writing st on the internet that suggests vaccinations are a problem.

No doubt you have the qualifications to make that statement.

I can weigh up the difference between the opinion of a professional body backed up by research versus an opinion on a blog written by somebody with no relevant experience of a subject, so yes I think I'm qualified to make that statement.