Tobacco without filter how bad
Tobacco without filter how bad
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Roguexcess

Original Poster:

172 posts

77 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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There was a saying that 1 joint (I.e. tobacco without a filter) is the same to smoking 20 regular cigarettes.

How true from a health point of view? Is someone smoking 5 joints a day (100cigs??) considerably at a health risk compared to a regular smoker?


StevieBee

15,313 posts

284 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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That's rather like asking whether crashing into a brick wall at 100mph is better for you than at 110mph. Either will ensure you have a very bad day.

Filters were added to cigarettes to enhance flavour, cool and smooth the smoke. The amount of toxin they stop is really neither hear or there.

DeWar

906 posts

75 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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I have no evidence for you because the evidence there is is conflicting: the problem is that because cannabis is illegal in most places, doing decent studies is problematic. There's some evidence to suggest unfiltered cigarette smoking is worse for your lungs but there's also a theory that filters increase your risk because they encourage you to inhale more deeply.

I also suspect the "1 zoot is as bad as 20 cigarettes" thing is as made up a trope as "we only use 10% of our brains". Having said that, when you're smoking J's you're inhaling various nasty chemicals that wreck your lungs both from the tobacco and from the cannabis. It's not going to be good for you. The risk will be related to total exposure; if you smoked a few doobies a month for a couple of years at Uni, your risk will be relatively low. If you smoke 5 spliffs a day and do so for 20 years, your lungs (and probably your brain) will let you know about it.

Roguexcess

Original Poster:

172 posts

77 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Interesting replies thanks not exactly what was expecting

Mastodon2

14,324 posts

194 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Well, since all the thickos out there seem to think cannabis is a miracle cure, the risks associated with the tobacco are moot as if you get cancer, heart disease etc, the cannabis will just cure you so no need to worry.


rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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My grandad smoked rollups all his life. No filters. Lived into his 90's

We now all know that smoking will not improve our physical health but it may
help mental heath to an extent.

EIther smoke or dont smoke. Your choice.

Jonny TVR

4,551 posts

310 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Smoking joints can also get you addicted to nicotine, so you end up a smoker.

Jonny TVR

4,551 posts

310 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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rev-erend said:
My grandad smoked rollups all his life. No filters. Lived into his 90's

We now all know that smoking will not improve our physical health but it may
help mental heath to an extent.

EIther smoke or dont smoke. Your choice.
It WILL shorten your life.

May help with your mental health!

Just don't smoke

Edited by Jonny TVR on Tuesday 9th June 13:44

Roguexcess

Original Poster:

172 posts

77 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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I agree don’t smoke is the way to go... obviously. Replace the habit with better ways I guess.

To be honest now I think about the second poster was right, either way it’s a crash. 3 days clean now btw smile

bmwmike

8,698 posts

137 months

Wednesday 10th June 2020
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Roguexcess said:
I agree don’t smoke is the way to go... obviously. Replace the habit with better ways I guess.

To be honest now I think about the second poster was right, either way it’s a crash. 3 days clean now btw smile
well done, keep it up. Does get easier. Do it on your terms now rather than later following a cancer diagnosis.




TonyTony

1,882 posts

187 months

Wednesday 10th June 2020
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So this is about smoking joints, not cigs?

You can still smoke weed without tobacco if tobacco is the issue. smokin

Roguexcess

Original Poster:

172 posts

77 months

Wednesday 10th June 2020
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bmwmike said:
well done, keep it up. Does get easier. Do it on your terms now rather than later following a cancer diagnosis.
ouuuf

RichFN2

4,334 posts

208 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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As someone who used to enjoy the odd smoke I remember you would feel it in your lungs the next day, cannabis burns a thicker smoke compared to tobacco so when mixed with tobacco I can believe that would be more harmful than a cigarette.

I moved to vaping the stuff for a while, far far cleaner and without the powerful smell you get from a joint

xjay1337

15,966 posts

147 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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DeWar said:
I have no evidence for you because the evidence there is is conflicting: the problem is that because cannabis is illegal in most places, doing decent studies is problematic. There's some evidence to suggest unfiltered cigarette smoking is worse for your lungs but there's also a theory that filters increase your risk because they encourage you to inhale more deeply.

I also suspect the "1 zoot is as bad as 20 cigarettes" thing is as made up a trope as "we only use 10% of our brains". Having said that, when you're smoking J's you're inhaling various nasty chemicals that wreck your lungs both from the tobacco and from the cannabis. It's not going to be good for you. The risk will be related to total exposure; if you smoked a few doobies a month for a couple of years at Uni, your risk will be relatively low. If you smoke 5 spliffs a day and do so for 20 years, your lungs (and probably your brain) will let you know about it.
The "chemicals" in marijuana are nowhere near as bad as in tobacco.

Roguexcess

Original Poster:

172 posts

77 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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xjay1337 said:
The "chemicals" in marijuana are nowhere near as bad as in tobacco.
But at least tobacco is regulated, god knows what can be sprayed on weed

It's so damn hard to quit when your this bored

Frybywire

490 posts

225 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Roguexcess said:
But at least tobacco is regulated, god knows what can be sprayed on weed

It's so damn hard to quit when your this bored
Grow your own, innit.

mickyh7

2,347 posts

115 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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Roguexcess said:
I agree don’t smoke is the way to go... obviously. Replace the habit with better ways I guess.

To be honest now I think about the second poster was right, either way it’s a crash. 3 days clean now btw smile
Excellent news!
I'm 7 years clean this September.
Can't remember what all the fuss was about!
I used a drug from my Doctor for a couple of months to help.
Champix I think.
Real easy to do.
Do people still smoke tobacco?
Its all steam and sweetie flavours where I am.

DeWar

906 posts

75 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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xjay1337 said:
The "chemicals" in marijuana are nowhere near as bad as in tobacco.
I’m not sure that there is objective information to support that assertion, though you may be right. I’d be happy to be educated with the relevant evidence.

vetrof

3,024 posts

202 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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DeWar said:
xjay1337 said:
The "chemicals" in marijuana are nowhere near as bad as in tobacco.
I’m not sure that there is objective information to support that assertion, though you may be right. I’d be happy to be educated with the relevant evidence.
I guess he's talking about additives - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in...
The weed I smoke has nothing added, grown in the ground without any chemical intervention.

mickyh7

2,347 posts

115 months

Thursday 11th June 2020
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vetrof said:
I guess he's talking about additives - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in...
The weed I smoke has nothing added, grown in the ground without any chemical intervention.
Bit like Deadly Nightshade then?