Elderly neighbour being discharged from Hospital

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We have a neighbour in his late 80's who lives on his own (sadly his wife passed away about 7 years ago and his daughter also passed away some time ago). As he's on his own my wife tends to keep an eye on him.

He's been in hospital regularly over the last few years and, to be honest, he needs to be n a care Home. However he's a stubborn old sod and insists on staying in his own house. However he's now in a stage where he's going to be basically bed-bound. We cant keep an eye on him 24/7 - does anybody know what the NHS or Social services are supposed to provide in this situation?

I genuinely don't understand why he won't go into a care home. His house must be worth £700k and it's not as if he's got anybody to leave it to.

[GetCarter]

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We have a neighbour in his late 80's who lives on his own (sadly his wife passed away about 7 years ago and his daughter also passed away some time ago). As he's on his own my wife tends to keep an eye on him.

He's been in hospital regularly over the last few years and, to be honest, he needs to be n a care Home. However he's a stubborn old sod and insists on staying in his own house. However he's now in a stage where he's going to be basically bed-bound. We cant keep an eye on him 24/7 - does anybody know what the NHS or Social services are supposed to provide in this situation?

I genuinely don't understand why he won't go into a care home. His house must be worth £700k and it's not as if he's got anybody to leave it to.

My elderly relative was discharged earlier this month and Wiltshire county council provided 4 visits a day for 4 weeks. (inc food). After that she has to pay. He should be able to get some home visits, at least in the short term.

[ExBoringVolvoDriver]

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We have a neighbour in his late 80's who lives on his own (sadly his wife passed away about 7 years ago and his daughter also passed away some time ago). As he's on his own my wife tends to keep an eye on him.

He's been in hospital regularly over the last few years and, to be honest, he needs to be n a care Home. However he's a stubborn old sod and insists on staying in his own house. However he's now in a stage where he's going to be basically bed-bound. We cant keep an eye on him 24/7 - does anybody know what the NHS or Social services are supposed to provide in this situation?

I genuinely don't understand why he won't go into a care home. His house must be worth £700k and it's not as if he's got anybody to leave it to.

There should have been an assessment of his needs nd requirements undertaken before he left hospital and a care plan put in place although this is often very basic. Would be asking him what has been put in place.

I would be inclined to give it a few days to see what happens in terms of carers calling on a regular basis and if you have concerns as to his well being then call the local Social Services and raise a safeguarding concern.

[Landlubber]

It's his home, where he lived with his wife and daughter, now he wants to die there.

[boyse7en]

Landlubber said:

It's his home, where he lived with his wife and daughter, now he wants to die there.

Yep. I can imagine I'll be the same. It would be logical to move to a care home, but you leave everything you know and love behind. A care home is not your house, not your furniture, you can only take a small amount of "personal" items, like books or photos and clothing... if I'm capable of being at home I'd rather stay there.

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GetCarter said:

My elderly relative was discharged earlier this month and Wiltshire county council provided 4 visits a day for 4 weeks. (inc food). After that she has to pay. He should be able to get some home visits, at least in the short term.

Thanks GC - does the CC automatically get in touch or does somebody need to contact them first?

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ExBoringVolvoDriver said:

There should have been an assessment of his needs nd requirements undertaken before he left hospital and a care plan put in place although this is often very basic. Would be asking him what has been put in place.

I would be inclined to give it a few days to see what happens in terms of carers calling on a regular basis and if you have concerns as to his well being then call the local Social Services and raise a safeguarding concern.

Thanks EVD.

In the short term we can make sure he's got enough to eat and drink. It's the personal care stuff that really needs to be addressed

[GetCarter]

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GetCarter said:

My elderly relative was discharged earlier this month and Wiltshire county council provided 4 visits a day for 4 weeks. (inc food). After that she has to pay. He should be able to get some home visits, at least in the short term.

Thanks GC - does the CC automatically get in touch or does somebody need to contact them first?

For us, it was a 'discharge team' that was organised by the hospital, who contacted community services. It may well be a postcode lottery, but some digging may well turn up who you need to speak to. Like all of these things (sadly), the more you make a fuss, the more likely you are likely to get help.

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GetCarter said:

For us, it was a 'discharge team' that was organised by the hospital, who contacted community services. It may well be a postcode lottery, but some digging may well turn up who you need to speak to. Like all of these things (sadly), the more you make a fuss, the more likely you are likely to get help.

Cheers. Apparently

1. he's being discharged tomorrow
2. Something about a "Home First" discharge plan
3. Carer and O/T person wwill be bringing him home

The joys of being old and alone

[GetCarter]

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GetCarter said:

For us, it was a 'discharge team' that was organised by the hospital, who contacted community services. It may well be a postcode lottery, but some digging may well turn up who you need to speak to. Like all of these things (sadly), the more you make a fuss, the more likely you are likely to get help.

Cheers. Apparently

1. he's being discharged tomorrow
2. Something about a "Home First" discharge plan
3. Carer and O/T person wwill be bringing him home

The joys of being old and alone

Good luck.

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GetCarter said:

Good luck.

Cheers

It's my wife whose more concerned than anybody else. Her own parents are of a similar age and (usually) thousands of miles away and she always worries about something happening to them without family nearby so she tries to make sure he's looked after..

He's a nice guy both him and my dad read the Daily Mail and have many conversations about immigrants

[alscar]

Usually user pays for either home carers or a care home assuming they have more than £23,750 in savings / assets.
If living by himself then value of house would get included.
Perfectly possible to get home carers in privately.
Usually it’s the family that arrange or anyone with an LPA - Finance.
State won’t help much if at all with that level of worth although
Local Authority might if only to then take a charge on the house if no cash as such.
LPA’s would normally either complete a financial assessment or self state no need to.
However what you can organise with no authority I have no idea on the carers issue.
It’s lovely that you are caring it’s just the practicalities and bureaucracy you are up against.

[BoRED S2upid]

GetCarter said:

My elderly relative was discharged earlier this month and Wiltshire county council provided 4 visits a day for 4 weeks. (inc food). After that she has to pay. He should be able to get some home visits, at least in the short term.

This! A few on our street get the same first thing in the morning, meal times and last thing at night. Cheaper to do this than have them in hospital / care home.

[NicheMonkey]

My parents looked after an elderly neighbour who was in a similar situation, when he passed a few months later he left the house and all belongings to them.

[Arrivalist]

Here in N Yorks home help is around £28-35 per hour depending on who you use.

Four one hour calls a day would be £3600/month.

I really good quality care home could be double that.

When my mum came out of hospital she had 6 weeks of free care (4 calls a day) and then it was chargeable from then.

[Landlubber]

Arrivalist said:

Here in N Yorks home help is around £28-35 per hour depending on who you use.

Four one hour calls a day would be £3600/month.

I really good quality care home could be double that.

When my mum came out of hospital she had 6 weeks of free care (4 calls a day) and then it was chargeable from then.

The MILs care home comes in at £74k, and that's oop north.

[Arrivalist]

Landlubber said:

Arrivalist said:

Here in N Yorks home help is around £28-35 per hour depending on who you use.

Four one hour calls a day would be £3600/month.

I really good quality care home could be double that.

When my mum came out of hospital she had 6 weeks of free care (4 calls a day) and then it was chargeable from then.

The MILs care home comes in at £74k, and that's oop north.

Yep, cheap it is not.

[Sheepshanks]

Arrivalist said:

When my mum came out of hospital she had 6 weeks of free care (4 calls a day) and then it was chargeable from then.

Same for FIL. I recall wife's Godfather got that a few times, and before that his local authority had their own short-term care place, but then it closed.

He was discharged from hospital once with nothing arranged and we weren't told, The ambulance driver was so unhappy he took him back, but I got the impression from neighbours that he was disobeying orders in taking him back.

One of my neighbours is having 24/7 home care - he's paying £2K/wk. Originally it was carers in shifts, now one stays for 2 weeks, then gets replaced by another.

[Landlubber]

Arrivalist said:

Landlubber said:

Arrivalist said:

Here in N Yorks home help is around £28-35 per hour depending on who you use.

Four one hour calls a day would be £3600/month.

I really good quality care home could be double that.

When my mum came out of hospital she had 6 weeks of free care (4 calls a day) and then it was chargeable from then.

The MILs care home comes in at £74k, and that's oop north.

Yep, cheap it is not.

We say "she's on a SKI holiday".

Spending Kids Inheritance!

[Arrivalist]

Landlubber said:

Arrivalist said:

Landlubber said:

Arrivalist said:

Here in N Yorks home help is around £28-35 per hour depending on who you use.

Four one hour calls a day would be £3600/month.

I really good quality care home could be double that.

When my mum came out of hospital she had 6 weeks of free care (4 calls a day) and then it was chargeable from then.

The MILs care home comes in at £74k, and that's oop north.

Yep, cheap it is not.

We say "she's on a SKI holiday".

Spending Kids Inheritance!