PL - New behaviour rules
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36844570
Plans designed to reduce "intolerable behaviour" by players and managers in English football have been announced.
In a statement, the Premier League, English Football League and Football Association said poor conduct has reached "unacceptable levels".
Starting this season, red cards will be issued to players who confront match officials and use offensive language or make gestures towards them.
I have no problems with this happening - with a caveat. Match officials must be seen to be more accountable for poor decisions. They must make post match interviews too, and if necessary apoligise for being wrong when a team is badly inconvenienced. They might be humans and make mistakes, I accept that. But I have to apoligise when I'm wrong.
Plans designed to reduce "intolerable behaviour" by players and managers in English football have been announced.
In a statement, the Premier League, English Football League and Football Association said poor conduct has reached "unacceptable levels".
Starting this season, red cards will be issued to players who confront match officials and use offensive language or make gestures towards them.
I have no problems with this happening - with a caveat. Match officials must be seen to be more accountable for poor decisions. They must make post match interviews too, and if necessary apoligise for being wrong when a team is badly inconvenienced. They might be humans and make mistakes, I accept that. But I have to apoligise when I'm wrong.
Puggit said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36844570
Plans designed to reduce "intolerable behaviour" by players and managers in English football have been announced.
In a statement, the Premier League, English Football League and Football Association said poor conduct has reached "unacceptable levels".
Starting this season, red cards will be issued to players who confront match officials and use offensive language or make gestures towards them.
I have no problems with this happening - with a caveat. Match officials must be seen to be more accountable for poor decisions. They must make post match interviews too, and if necessary apoligise for being wrong when a team is badly inconvenienced. They might be humans and make mistakes, I accept that. But I have to apoligise when I'm wrong.
This should have been brought in a long time ago. It should be like rugby where the officials decision is final and you just suck it up and get on with it. None of this harassing the ref, swearing at him. Plans designed to reduce "intolerable behaviour" by players and managers in English football have been announced.
In a statement, the Premier League, English Football League and Football Association said poor conduct has reached "unacceptable levels".
Starting this season, red cards will be issued to players who confront match officials and use offensive language or make gestures towards them.
I have no problems with this happening - with a caveat. Match officials must be seen to be more accountable for poor decisions. They must make post match interviews too, and if necessary apoligise for being wrong when a team is badly inconvenienced. They might be humans and make mistakes, I accept that. But I have to apoligise when I'm wrong.
Puggit said:
I have no problems with this happening - with a caveat. Match officials must be seen to be more accountable for poor decisions. They must make post match interviews too, and if necessary apoligise for being wrong when a team is badly inconvenienced. They might be humans and make mistakes, I accept that. But I have to apoligise when I'm wrong.
There are often situations when it takes 3 or 4 pundits 5 minutes analysing 10 camera angles in super slow motion to finally decide that a ref 'made a howler'. The ref gets one shot in real time, hundreds of times per game, only aided by two guys who could be anything up to 65 yards away. There is no need to apologise for what is fundamentally human nature, they aren't robots.Meanwhile, players (role models) lie, cheat, deceive, intimidate and will do everything within their power to influence the ref or dupe him.
We have many of the best officials in the world in the UK. If decisions are that crucial they should be aided by technology, as with nearly every other forward thinking sport.
Challo said:
This should have been brought in a long time ago. It should be like rugby where the officials decision is final and you just suck it up and get on with it. None of this harassing the ref, swearing at him.
Wasn't there a campaign (respect or something similar) a few years ago? Disappeared without a trace iirc. I predict the same will happen here. I'd like to see retrospective cards for play acting too (even later in the match if it can be proved that quickly https://youtu.be/LC-H2wXK4T4)
Edited by irocfan on Wednesday 20th July 14:35
I would love to see sin bins trialled as well, particularly for blatant irrefutable offences normally punished by a yellow card. Start with the 'taking one for the team' foul where a player intentionally takes an opponent out near the end of a game to stop an attack. Clearly a yellow card isn't a deterrent in those cases.
irocfan said:
Challo said:
This should have been brought in a long time ago. It should be like rugby where the officials decision is final and you just suck it up and get on with it. None of this harassing the ref, swearing at him.
Wasn't there a campaign (respect or something similar) a few years ago? Disappeared without a trace iirc. I predict the same will happen here. I'd like to see retrospective cards for play acting too (even later in the match if it can be proved that quickly https://youtu.be/LC-H2wXK4T4)
Edited by irocfan on Wednesday 20th July 14:35
Retrspective bans/fines have to be brought in as well. How many times to we see someone dive and get away with it.
Fittster said:
First time a big match is ruined by a sending off for swearing then the rules will be scrapped.
The first time a player gets suspended for 3 games for being a gobs
te, the manager/owner will have a word. No different from retrospect bans for diving/play acting. As soon as the star players on £100k+ a week start getting banned for cheating, they'll stop. Because they are professionals and they want to maintain their career.How many players get a straight red more than once in a season? How many more than twice? If there were no repurcussions, there would be a lot more. It's not even financial consequences - if you keep getting banned for games, you lose your place to someone else, the manager doesn't trust you, you stopped being selected and end up training on your own of with the kids.
The reason that the behaviour and cheating occurs so much (in every game and usually many times by the same players), is because the chance of being caught are so slim and the repurcussions so slight. Once players realise that they will be caught and punished and it will damage their careers, they'll stop (or the manager's will stop encouraging or allowing them).
If a big game gets ruined because a player is a cheating idiot - whose fault it that? Not the rules or the ref. No different from a deliberate handball, 2-footed challenge of professional foul. There is no one to blame but the players and the managers who select them.
TEKNOPUG said:
Fittster said:
First time a big match is ruined by a sending off for swearing then the rules will be scrapped.
The first time a player gets suspended for 3 games for being a gobste, the manager/owner will have a word. No different from retrospect bans for diving/play acting. As soon as the star players on £100k+ a week start getting banned for cheating, they'll stop. Because they are professionals and they want to maintain their career.How many players get a straight red more than once in a season? How many more than twice? If there were no repurcussions, there would be a lot more. It's not even financial consequences - if you keep getting banned for games, you lose your place to someone else, the manager doesn't trust you, you stopped being selected and end up training on your own of with the kids.
The reason that the behaviour and cheating occurs so much (in every game and usually many times by the same players), is because the chance of being caught are so slim and the repurcussions so slight. Once players realise that they will be caught and punished and it will damage their careers, they'll stop (or the manager's will stop encouraging or allowing them).
If a big game gets ruined because a player is a cheating idiot - whose fault it that? Not the rules or the ref. No different from a deliberate handball, 2-footed challenge of professional foul. There is no one to blame but the players and the managers who select them.
If you want forelock tugging to authority figures there's women's football or rugby.
You cannot compare to rugby or cricket. Give a chav £50k a week & he's still a chav & will continue to act accordingly.
I think post match fines are more appropriate. A month's salary for aggressive behaviour towards a match official. Take some of uber chav's benefits away & let him squeal.
I think post match fines are more appropriate. A month's salary for aggressive behaviour towards a match official. Take some of uber chav's benefits away & let him squeal.
Hope they include players brandishing imaginary cards and trying to unduly influence the referees decision in this!
Unfortunately the way the players behave has massive repercussions all the way down the chain and it is spreading into other sports as well. Our lad plays rugby league and has been known to get a bit lippy at the ref. He got sin binned last year for mouthing off at the ref and came off muttering, complaining and looking for sympathy. I told him it was his own fault and he needs to learn when to shut his mouth
This needs to work its way all down the chain to grass roots and kids as well
Unfortunately the way the players behave has massive repercussions all the way down the chain and it is spreading into other sports as well. Our lad plays rugby league and has been known to get a bit lippy at the ref. He got sin binned last year for mouthing off at the ref and came off muttering, complaining and looking for sympathy. I told him it was his own fault and he needs to learn when to shut his mouth
This needs to work its way all down the chain to grass roots and kids as well
Happy to see tough measure come in. The way players conduct themselves has been a disgrace for decades. The culture of respect in Rugby, amongst players, officals and fans is the envy of all sport.
A big fine and maybe a ban on grooming products and ridiculous looking headphones on matchdays would have them quaking in their flashy coloured boots and change their behaviour.
A big fine and maybe a ban on grooming products and ridiculous looking headphones on matchdays would have them quaking in their flashy coloured boots and change their behaviour.
Fittster said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Fittster said:
First time a big match is ruined by a sending off for swearing then the rules will be scrapped.
The first time a player gets suspended for 3 games for being a gobste, the manager/owner will have a word. No different from retrospect bans for diving/play acting. As soon as the star players on £100k+ a week start getting banned for cheating, they'll stop. Because they are professionals and they want to maintain their career.How many players get a straight red more than once in a season? How many more than twice? If there were no repurcussions, there would be a lot more. It's not even financial consequences - if you keep getting banned for games, you lose your place to someone else, the manager doesn't trust you, you stopped being selected and end up training on your own of with the kids.
The reason that the behaviour and cheating occurs so much (in every game and usually many times by the same players), is because the chance of being caught are so slim and the repurcussions so slight. Once players realise that they will be caught and punished and it will damage their careers, they'll stop (or the manager's will stop encouraging or allowing them).
If a big game gets ruined because a player is a cheating idiot - whose fault it that? Not the rules or the ref. No different from a deliberate handball, 2-footed challenge of professional foul. There is no one to blame but the players and the managers who select them.
If you want forelock tugging to authority figures there's women's football or rugby.
k" when the opposition scores a goal.What's the problem anyway? Players told they will be booked if they swear at an official. Player swears at an official. Player gets booked.
Red cards can be issued for the following:
If a player confronts match officials and uses offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures towards them.
Physical contact with match officials in an aggressive or confrontational manner.
So with this knowledge, if a player commits either offence, they're a f
king idiot. Do you think either is acceptable? Any media backlash will be against the player. How is it any different to a hand-ball in the area or scything a player down from behind when he is through on goal?No pundit or media outlet will condone any of these actions or blame the ref for exercising the very well publicised law:
Send'em all off. Red cards and 3 match-bans would very quickly concentrate the minds of even the stupidest footballers.
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