Lightening Question ??

Lightening Question ??

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Marty63

Original Poster:

2,347 posts

176 months

Thursday 2nd August 2012
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During recent heavy rainfall and bad weather up ere int North,

Our freeSat dish was struck by lightening, lightening tracked through coax
into ring main and killing everything that was plugged into the mains(and on standby).

It will never happen to me, but it did, lost tv's, dvd's, freeview box's, freesat box, telephones, router and even the PCB of the combi boiler.

I am familiar with working with electrickery, I checked all appliances fuses, all intact?? but DB trip tripped.

What I cannot get my head round is - is lightening carrying a voltage, a current or as a taxi driver suggested a frequency??

And yes we are insured and they are paying out..


Comments appreciated guys & galls

grumbledoak

31,585 posts

235 months

Thursday 2nd August 2012
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High voltage. 20 kV per cm to get a current through air.

Simpo Two

85,815 posts

267 months

Thursday 2nd August 2012
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Lightning makes things break/catch fire

Lightening just makes them lighter.



We like to have things right on this forum smile

davepoth

29,395 posts

201 months

Thursday 2nd August 2012
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Any electricity will have voltage and current. It's static electricity so doesn't have a frequency like an AC charge would. Voltage is very high at about a gigavolt (1,000,000,000 volts), with current around 50,000amps or so.

Zad

12,714 posts

238 months

Friday 3rd August 2012
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Bugger all to do with frequency.

If you have a high voltage, and try to pass it through a conductor (and air is a conductor at high voltages) then a high current will flow.

Voltage * Current = Power

= BOOM + smoke

RizzoTheRat

25,292 posts

194 months

Friday 3rd August 2012
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It's a high voltage earthing through your wiring, so i'd guess your fuses wouldn't blow as they're on the live side.

Marty63

Original Poster:

2,347 posts

176 months

Friday 3rd August 2012
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Simpo Two said:
Lightning makes things break/catch fire

Lightening just makes them lighter.



We like to have things right on this forum smile
Thanks for keeping me write, wright, right, Aaaagh, but you are right.




Luckily nothing did catch fire, assume trip tripped before heat built up.

annoying and frustrating, damned lightning.....

more annoyed at self for not unplugging 'things'.


Huff

3,174 posts

193 months

Saturday 4th August 2012
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Lightning doesn't actually involve moving much charge, the damage is done by the rate of change.

It's a very high peak current attempting to pass through an apparently short bit or wiring, in a very short time. The voltage induced across that wire is all to do with the rate of change of current:

V = L.dI/dt.

Since the time is very short (single-figure microseconds) even though the instantaneous current is moderate (100 - 1000A) a meter or two of 'conducting wire of any thickness at 1microhenry a metre or so - results in very significant transient voltages appearing, easily enough to kill consumer electronics.

That's all there is to it, and since the causes are so fundamental in physical terms, there's really nothing you can do about it either. The best protection is to make structures that look likely to get hit.. have a low inductance to the Earth around the outside, a.k.a a Faraday cage; hence those flat, wide lighting 'tapes' you often see around the outside of most buildings (and which go to their own separate earth spikes).

Le TVR

3,092 posts

253 months

Thursday 9th August 2012
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To expand on Huff's explanation, the reason that these voltage spikes do so much damage it that fact that nearly all modern consumer electronics use switched mode power supplies (SMPS). These do not use transformers and there are semiconductors effectively connected to AC. Semiconductor junctions are extremely fast and guaranteed to fail millions of times faster than fuses.
Old style electronics used transformer power supplies. The iron cored transformer as well as reducing the AC voltage had the useful effect of filtering any fast voltage spikes on the AC input.

We had a major lightning strike here many years back and every piece of electronics that used an SMPS died. Everything that used a transformer type power supply survived without damage.

Today all our 'delicate' circuits (TV, sat, video, DVD etc) are protected by isolation transformers.