Re Drawing Correct World maps
Re Drawing Correct World maps
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AndyAudi

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3,959 posts

251 months

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This was a really interesting read on my news feed today, I consider myself relatively knowledgeable but hadn’t really realised the extent of how “incorrect” the map of the world we know is.

This statement blew my mind a bit

“You could fit the United States, China, India, Japan, Mexico and much of Europe into Africa and still have land to spare”

I’ll update my wall maps

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce30vp55dnlo


hyperblue

2,907 posts

209 months

Saturday
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Is this all just a cunning plan by Greenland to look less bigly?

I was aware there was an issue with map projection, but didn’t appreciate how disproportionate the sizing of Greenland and Africa were. Seems fair enough to go for a more accurate representation.

butchstewie

67,239 posts

239 months

Saturday
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This website is quite good.

https://thetruesize.com

WH16

8,398 posts

247 months

Saturday
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This one published by The Economist a while back is a good representation of the true size of Africa


Russet Grange

2,957 posts

55 months

Lawro1

227 posts

10 months

Saturday
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And Russia also fits very easily inside Africa which isn't apparent from the Marcator maps we all are familiar with.

Here's the true relative sizes of the countries.


WH16

8,398 posts

247 months

Saturday
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The solution is to buy a globe, as no projection is perfect.

dukeboy749r

3,751 posts

239 months

Saturday
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I read that the USA voted against the change.

Odd that they were so concerned that more than one country had sought a new map and most countries agreed. In what is really nothing more than actually having a map that reflects reality and yet the USA, who arbitrarily chose to change names of bodies of water, get pissy about it.

Pathetic.


NDA

25,538 posts

254 months

Saturday
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I assume there'll be a request for compensation?

swisstoni

23,880 posts

308 months

Saturday
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WH16 said:
The solution is to buy a globe, as no projection is perfect.
Is the right answer.
I wonder if Trump's interest in Greenland was informed by it's apparent enormity on the projection maps. hehe

JuanCarlosFandango

9,743 posts

100 months

Saturday
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Nice slidey graphic here

https://apnews.com/article/un-africa-map-mercator-...

Interesting and I'm all for accuracy, don't think the Mercator is racist though.

mac96

6,392 posts

172 months

Saturday
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I have absolutely no issue with this, except to wonder: Why now? It's not a recent discovery!
I remember discussion of the inaccuracies of Mercator and problems with other flat projections decades ago. As stated above the only absolutely right answer is a globe but they don't fit in your pocket.

Roofless Toothless

7,557 posts

161 months

Saturday
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I remember some years ago the BBC weather forecasters decided to change the big map of the UK they stand in front of from a Mercator projection, which artificially makes everything towards the north look bigger, to a different projection, where areas are represented more realistically.

There were howls of protest from Scottish Nationalists saying this was part of an invidious plot by the English to denigrate and insult the Scottish people in their quest for freedom.

Simpo Two

92,662 posts

294 months

Saturday
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I heard the feature about it on R4 this morning. Of all the countries and continents looking bigger with the Mercator projection - ie everything across or near the equator, they seemed only interested in Africa, and an African woman was on saying how demeaning, unfair, and lots of other words, it was for Africa. At the end a more rational chap came on and said that's what happens when you try to flatten out a sphere, and a compromise has to be made somewhere to do so. And that's the truth. The Mercator projection is for navigation and gives accurate angles between different places. The side-effect is that countries towards the poles look bigger and vice versa.

I thought it was rather silly and unnecessary that R4 allowed a simple scientific issue to assume almost a 'wacist' angle.

swisstoni

23,880 posts

308 months

Saturday
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Roofless Toothless said:
I remember some years ago the BBC weather forecasters decided to change the big map of the UK they stand in front of from a Mercator projection, which artificially makes everything towards the north look bigger, to a different projection, where areas are represented more realistically.

There were howls of protest from Scottish Nationalists saying this was part of an invidious plot by the English to denigrate and insult the Scottish people in their quest for freedom.
I think it was the other way around. The map was presented with the North shown smaller relatively than the South.
So they changed it following complaints.

(I remember an Armando Iannucci sketch where a live tv show was interrupted by protesters calling for a "Big North!")

Lawro1

227 posts

10 months

Saturday
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dukeboy749r said:
I read that the USA voted against the change.

Odd that they were so concerned that more than one country had sought a new map and most countries agreed. In what is really nothing more than actually having a map that reflects reality and yet the USA, who arbitrarily chose to change names of bodies of water, get pissy about it.

Pathetic.
for your answer.have a look at how much smaller the US is in reality on that map above.

Canada and Russia don't come out of it too well either. As for Greenland.. hehe

Roofless Toothless

7,557 posts

161 months

Saturday
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swisstoni said:
Roofless Toothless said:
I remember some years ago the BBC weather forecasters decided to change the big map of the UK they stand in front of from a Mercator projection, which artificially makes everything towards the north look bigger, to a different projection, where areas are represented more realistically.

There were howls of protest from Scottish Nationalists saying this was part of an invidious plot by the English to denigrate and insult the Scottish people in their quest for freedom.
I think it was the other way around. The map was presented with the North shown smaller relatively than the South.
So they changed it following complaints.

(I remember an Armando Iannucci sketch where a live tv show was interrupted by protesters calling for a "Big North!")
I think that’s what I said ….

200bhp

5,793 posts

248 months

Saturday
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WH16 said:
The solution is to buy a globe, as no projection is perfect.
Depends on the globe - We have one that shows the UK clearly oversized, despite coming from Australia.

Hill92

5,407 posts

219 months

WH16

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247 months

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200bhp said:
WH16 said:
The solution is to buy a globe, as no projection is perfect.
Depends on the globe - We have one that shows the UK clearly oversized, despite coming from Australia.
Ok then, I should have said 'a correctly proportioned, good quality globe'. But my point stands. Flattening out the surface of an oblate spheroid into a flat plane comes with inherent mathematical difficulties.