batteries - what's the difference?
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I'm considering sticking a new battery in my A6 as the existing one is a little tired (it'll start the car, but only just).
Various online resources suggest that a type 017 is what I need, and is confirmed by what is already fitted. However I note that the type 019 is a similar size and offers more juice (950A CCA - should be enough for those frosty mornings!)
What's the difference between the two? The physical dimensions all match up - is there's something else such as in the little foot that clamps or some undocumented detail that's going to stuff me up?
Various online resources suggest that a type 017 is what I need, and is confirmed by what is already fitted. However I note that the type 019 is a similar size and offers more juice (950A CCA - should be enough for those frosty mornings!)
What's the difference between the two? The physical dimensions all match up - is there's something else such as in the little foot that clamps or some undocumented detail that's going to stuff me up?
From a random google, look at this and compare with this. Type 019 is 17ish% cheaper (on offer) but has around 15% (ballpark figure) more capacity 
- terminal orientation is the same on both, but the 019 is 190mm tall vs 175mm for the 017 so will the 019 fit???
And 950A CCA on the battery you've found? Blimey
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- terminal orientation is the same on both, but the 019 is 190mm tall vs 175mm for the 017 so will the 019 fit???And 950A CCA on the battery you've found? Blimey
!Sometimes I guess you need someone else to point out the obvious.. I'd overlooked the difference in height. I'll have to check that carefully as the battery is under the rear seat.
Thanks.
And this is what I'd got my eye on: http://www.tayna.co.uk/019-Enduroline-Car-Battery-...
Edit: On further searching, there seems to be some variation in height of the 017. Some sites list it as 175mm some at 190mm. Hmm. Measure twice, buy once.
Thanks.
And this is what I'd got my eye on: http://www.tayna.co.uk/019-Enduroline-Car-Battery-...
Edit: On further searching, there seems to be some variation in height of the 017. Some sites list it as 175mm some at 190mm. Hmm. Measure twice, buy once.
Edited by ouch on Saturday 18th January 00:28
ouch said:
Sometimes I guess you need someone else to point out the obvious.. I'd overlooked the difference in height. I'll have to check that carefully as the battery is under the rear seat.
Thanks.
And this is what I'd got my eye on: http://www.tayna.co.uk/019-Enduroline-Car-Battery-...
Edit: On further searching, there seems to be some variation in height of the 017. Some sites list it as 175mm some at 190mm. Hmm. Measure twice, buy once.
Interesting. That's the battery I need. The one I'd been recomended before on here 'advanced car batteries calcium thing' only has a CCA of 850. All other specs the same do you think it's a typo?Thanks.
And this is what I'd got my eye on: http://www.tayna.co.uk/019-Enduroline-Car-Battery-...
Edit: On further searching, there seems to be some variation in height of the 017. Some sites list it as 175mm some at 190mm. Hmm. Measure twice, buy once.
Edited by ouch on Saturday 18th January 00:28
Banner also get recomended on here too and theirs is 850 CCA
ouch said:
Sometimes I guess you need someone else to point out the obvious.. I'd overlooked the difference in height. I'll have to check that carefully as the battery is under the rear seat.
Thanks.
Thanks.
ouch said:
And this is what I'd got my eye on: http://www.tayna.co.uk/019-Enduroline-Car-Battery-...
Edit: On further searching, there seems to be some variation in height of the 017. Some sites list it as 175mm some at 190mm. Hmm. Measure twice, buy once.
It seems pretty common that dimensions (I've seen the length differ as well as the height!) vary for the same 'type' of battery (eg your 019) between manufacturers Edit: On further searching, there seems to be some variation in height of the 017. Some sites list it as 175mm some at 190mm. Hmm. Measure twice, buy once.
Edited by ouch on Saturday 18th January 00:28
, now you mention it...Looks like you've got it sorted anyway, now
. There is a massive difference between an O.E. (Original Equipment) Battery and an aftermarket battery. They look the same because of the case sizes but in fact they are different. How do I know? Because I work with in the battery industry and make batteries at O.E. for most of the manufacturers across Europe. Including VW/Audi group.
When an O.E manufacturer specs a battery for a car they need that spec to last a period of time, normally about 4-5 years. An O.E Battery will be over engineered so that at year 5 it still performs as it should have done on day 1.
ALL lead acid batteries degrade over time due to the chemical reaction with lead and acid, approximately 10% per year. The cheaper aftermarket batteries are bought on price on the open market and therefore are only that spec on day 1. Normally they will stay in spec around 2 years then start to drop very quickly.
Just as another point of interest, there are very few O.E manufacturers in Europe. If it does not say EXIDE, BANNER, YUASA, VARTA on the battery then it is not from an O.E manufacturer and will normally come from the Far East. Brands like Lucas/Crompton/Tungstone/Oldham/Bosch do not make batteries. They are purely brands to sell batteries.
The O.E batteries will normally be very slightly more expensive but if it says (019) 95AH 740CCA or (017) 88AH 660CCA then that is the minimum it will perform at for a longer period of time and not the maximum it will perform at like those batteries bought on price from non O.E manufacturers. This is especially important if you have start/stop, smart charging or brake regenerative charging on your car as a cheap battery will cause high emissions over time.
When an O.E manufacturer specs a battery for a car they need that spec to last a period of time, normally about 4-5 years. An O.E Battery will be over engineered so that at year 5 it still performs as it should have done on day 1.
ALL lead acid batteries degrade over time due to the chemical reaction with lead and acid, approximately 10% per year. The cheaper aftermarket batteries are bought on price on the open market and therefore are only that spec on day 1. Normally they will stay in spec around 2 years then start to drop very quickly.
Just as another point of interest, there are very few O.E manufacturers in Europe. If it does not say EXIDE, BANNER, YUASA, VARTA on the battery then it is not from an O.E manufacturer and will normally come from the Far East. Brands like Lucas/Crompton/Tungstone/Oldham/Bosch do not make batteries. They are purely brands to sell batteries.
The O.E batteries will normally be very slightly more expensive but if it says (019) 95AH 740CCA or (017) 88AH 660CCA then that is the minimum it will perform at for a longer period of time and not the maximum it will perform at like those batteries bought on price from non O.E manufacturers. This is especially important if you have start/stop, smart charging or brake regenerative charging on your car as a cheap battery will cause high emissions over time.
dopeshots said:
There is a massive difference between an O.E. (Original Equipment) Battery and an aftermarket battery. They look the same because of the case sizes but in fact they are different. How do I know? Because I work with in the battery industry and make batteries at O.E. for most of the manufacturers across Europe. Including VW/Audi group.
When an O.E manufacturer specs a battery for a car they need that spec to last a period of time, normally about 4-5 years. An O.E Battery will be over engineered so that at year 5 it still performs as it should have done on day 1.
ALL lead acid batteries degrade over time due to the chemical reaction with lead and acid, approximately 10% per year. The cheaper aftermarket batteries are bought on price on the open market and therefore are only that spec on day 1. Normally they will stay in spec around 2 years then start to drop very quickly.
Just as another point of interest, there are very few O.E manufacturers in Europe. If it does not say EXIDE, BANNER, YUASA, VARTA on the battery then it is not from an O.E manufacturer and will normally come from the Far East. Brands like Lucas/Crompton/Tungstone/Oldham/Bosch do not make batteries. They are purely brands to sell batteries.
The O.E batteries will normally be very slightly more expensive but if it says (019) 95AH 740CCA or (017) 88AH 660CCA then that is the minimum it will perform at for a longer period of time and not the maximum it will perform at like those batteries bought on price from non O.E manufacturers. This is especially important if you have start/stop, smart charging or brake regenerative charging on your car as a cheap battery will cause high emissions over time.
4 years late, but useful information! When an O.E manufacturer specs a battery for a car they need that spec to last a period of time, normally about 4-5 years. An O.E Battery will be over engineered so that at year 5 it still performs as it should have done on day 1.
ALL lead acid batteries degrade over time due to the chemical reaction with lead and acid, approximately 10% per year. The cheaper aftermarket batteries are bought on price on the open market and therefore are only that spec on day 1. Normally they will stay in spec around 2 years then start to drop very quickly.
Just as another point of interest, there are very few O.E manufacturers in Europe. If it does not say EXIDE, BANNER, YUASA, VARTA on the battery then it is not from an O.E manufacturer and will normally come from the Far East. Brands like Lucas/Crompton/Tungstone/Oldham/Bosch do not make batteries. They are purely brands to sell batteries.
The O.E batteries will normally be very slightly more expensive but if it says (019) 95AH 740CCA or (017) 88AH 660CCA then that is the minimum it will perform at for a longer period of time and not the maximum it will perform at like those batteries bought on price from non O.E manufacturers. This is especially important if you have start/stop, smart charging or brake regenerative charging on your car as a cheap battery will cause high emissions over time.
E-bmw said:
Hopefully when 2014 comes back to the future you will be able to tell the OP, I am sure it will help.
Haha! Zombie thread resurrection..I love the fact that our new friend has prophesied certain doom after the 2 year warranty has expired on my cheap far-eastern battery.
4 1/2 years after that post and my 'cheap' battery is still going strong, despite hard usage and more than a couple of sub-zero starts.
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