Threaded Hub Nut Removal???
Threaded Hub Nut Removal???
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Sammo123

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2,178 posts

207 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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Evening,

I recently acquired a new shape Mini which needs a few bits doing. I'm needing to remove the driveshafts but one of the hub nuts looks like it's been cross threaded when it was put on and it won't come undone. I have tried absolutely everything to undo it but to no avail. I am currently using a (now blunt) chisel to slowly smash my way through the nut but does anyone have any other techniques or can suggest any tools I should try for a quicker and easier removal?

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Cheers,

Sammo

Juggsy1

73 posts

135 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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Before I'm told it won't work, how about a dremel with a small cutting disc. Just enough to cut most of the way through the sides of the nut so a cold chisel might split it

mr.man

511 posts

242 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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And you're absolutely certain it's not a left hand thread ?

Jimmyarm

1,962 posts

204 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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Even cross threaded they will undo with a decent impact gun and compressor, I've probably undone thousands and only a fraction of those have involved a breaker bar and scaffold pole extensions.

Usually the nut takes the brunt of the cross threading and the cc joint just needs cleaning up.

Now you have smashed the nut to bits you just have to carry on tbh, it's hard to get a cutting disc of any size to make a reasonable dent in the nut due to the way the hub flange sticks out.

You will need a new CV joint too so don't worry about damaging that but be careful not to expand it as you will never get it through the flange without grinding it down with a die grinder.

Edited by Jimmyarm on Thursday 10th September 21:12

HustleRussell

26,331 posts

186 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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Are you turning it the right way?

Jimmyarm

1,962 posts

204 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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HustleRussell said:
Are you turning it the right way?
These are normal threaded, I hope the OP knows which way they undo !

Sammo123

Original Poster:

2,178 posts

207 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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Yeh I have been undoing it the correct way! I have had an impact gun on it and then a breaker bar with 4ft of scaffold pole on the end and it hasn't budged, hence the smashing it a chisel approach!

andyiley

12,788 posts

178 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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Easy way to tell if it is cross-threaded because it will not be flat to the mating surface that the nut butts up to on the hub.

Cross-threaded by definition means the nut was not engaged square on, so will not do up square.

I think it looks right to me, but it is hard to tell from end on pictures.

I chisel is mure likely to do irrepairable damage to the Cv thread, so be careful.

Have you tried application of heat?

Sammo123

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2,178 posts

207 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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Yeh I heated it until it was glowing red and it still wouldn't budge! I don't care about the CV joint getting damaged to be honest at this point. I'm going to drill it this weekend and smash the rest of the nut off!

Jimmyarm

1,962 posts

204 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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An air hammer with a decent chisel bit is probably the easiest way.

A 4.5 inch fresh cutting disc might get a bit of bite on it to start you off (obviously going into the end of the CV joint too).

Have fun, I hate doing stuff like that is it always takes forever !

andyiley

12,788 posts

178 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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Just a quick word of warning.

The torque figure for these is 182 nm, which equates to 134 lbf, that is a 182 kg man on a metre long scaffold pole! Have you been applying anything like that amount?

greypianosflying

86 posts

180 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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andyiley said:
Just a quick word of warning.

The torque figure for these is 182 nm, which equates to 134 lbf, that is a 182 kg man on a metre long scaffold pole! Have you been applying anything like that amount?
I might just being stupid, but isn't that a bit excessive? Assuming acceleration due to gravity is approx 10m^2, then mass = F/A = 182/10 = 18.2kg.

So it should it not be equivalent to 18.2kg on the end of a meter long scaffolding pole?

DrDeAtH

3,682 posts

258 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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Was that nut not staked into the keyway on the drive shaft?

If it was, then you're going to have to unstake it by tapping a drift up the keyway to open the nut back up out of it.
It should undo then.

Sammo123

Original Poster:

2,178 posts

207 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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Yes it was staked into the driveshaft but I had already peeled the metal back so it wasn't obstructing anything.

Sammo123

Original Poster:

2,178 posts

207 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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Jimmyarm said:
An air hammer with a decent chisel bit is probably the easiest way.

A 4.5 inch fresh cutting disc might get a bit of bite on it to start you off (obviously going into the end of the CV joint too).

Have fun, I hate doing stuff like that is it always takes forever !
Unfortunately I'm doing this at home on the driveway so don't have access to any air tools frown I'm going to pop to B&Q tomorrow to pick up a sharper drill bit so will have a look at the cutting discs available.

PositronicRay

28,787 posts

209 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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It doesn't help now, but for anyone else in this situation. The last time I had a problem like this I popped round to my local garage, they rattle gunned it loose, nipped it back up and drove home. I gave the guy a tenner.

Sammo123

Original Poster:

2,178 posts

207 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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Already tried undoing it using my Snap On impact gun to no avail

sparkythecat

8,087 posts

281 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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andyiley said:
Just a quick word of warning.

The torque figure for these is 182 nm, which equates to 134 lbf, that is a 182 kg man on a metre long scaffold pole! Have you been applying anything like that amount?
The fat bd would weigh over 28stone. How the fk are you going to suspend him from a one metre scaffolding pole?

oakdale

1,989 posts

228 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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andyiley said:
Just a quick word of warning.

The torque figure for these is 182 nm,which equates to 134 lbf, that is a 182 kg man on a metre long scaffold pole! Have you been applying anything like that amount?
No it doesn't.

phumy

5,825 posts

263 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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sparkythecat said:
andyiley said:
Just a quick word of warning.

The torque figure for these is 182 nm, which equates to 134 lbf, that is a 182 kg man on a metre long scaffold pole! Have you been applying anything like that amount?
The fat bd would weigh over 28stone. How the fk are you going to suspend him from a one metre scaffolding pole?
You might want to look at that again, if it is 134 lbf, then if you extend the length of the lever by 1 ft then you halve the weight needed to move it. Therefore as three feet is near to 1 metre then you divide the force by 3 giving around 44lbs of force required to move it. Try it yourself, if you use a longer extesion bar the work is made easier not harder.