Tracking on my car can't be done?? Help!
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I've posted about problems i've had after i fitted a new steering rack to my car. I'm going to just try and ask a simple question to see what you would think.
If 'you' fitted a steering rack properly and your steering wheel sat at 4 o'clock afterwards, and you run out of tierod adjustment threads at one side to correct the tracking, what would you think was wrong??
4 wheel alignment shop confirmed this.
If 'you' fitted a steering rack properly and your steering wheel sat at 4 o'clock afterwards, and you run out of tierod adjustment threads at one side to correct the tracking, what would you think was wrong??
4 wheel alignment shop confirmed this.
russell_ram said:
I'd think 'you' maybe hadn't centralised the rack between it's end stops before you connected up the steering column with the steering wheel straight ahead. At least that's the first thing I would check.
'I' have centralised it properly, 2.75 turns full lock to full lock, half that. In fact because the steering rack pinion shaft is basically a 'D' profile so to speak and not a splined shaft so you can't really bugger it up!I'm starting to doubt this is the wrong rack i've been given, length-wise, although my motor factor assured me there was only one part number, but i've heard that before! :-)
finlo said:
It could be a full revolution out?
It's not unfortunately. Well finally got to the bottom of it. Got back from my motor factors earlier and guess what, they fecked it right up. I was really starting to doubt it was the correct steering rack for the last week so asked the shop to check part number of rack they gave me, whne i got the refurbed rack a specifically asked if there was definetly only one rack for my car, they assured me there was only one. Took old one off, took it to shop, they gave me new one, never had them side by side as new one was all wrapped up etc.
Today his face sunk as when he looked at his computer screen it had thrown up the wrong sodding part number!! He then told me there was another bloody one!! Ffs. 35mm longer!! bloody hell, what a balls up, and guess what, they got another one in for me today and it was the same bloody length again lol
I'm worried now this rack fecked up my old clockspring, since asr/esp was triggered at full lock instantly, now with my new clockspring on i've driven 40 odd miles with that, turning gingerly i may add, hope that's still ok.
AW10 said:
Assuming that both racks have the same number of turns lock to lock and that you centred the "wrong" rack when installing it I can't envisage how the clock spring could get damaged as it won't have been over rotated. Or have I missed something?
I think the wrong rack 'has' over rotated the clockspring, as i just found out from the only guy in the UK that knows this, that seemingly all Megane racks are 1070mm long, correct one for mine is 1100mm, and wait for it,gives 'less' turns from lock to lock than the 1070mm one i've got fitted! This has been a farce from start to finish, '5' racks i've been given over the last few days and they're all wrong. If you go on Ebay, i can guarantee you 99% of racks for what most of them call a '2.0 renault sport' are 1070mm.So it's cost me £178 for a new clockspring, and thankfully, having checked it yesterday pulling the steering wheel off, i think the new clockspring has survived driving the short period of time with this wrong rack on!
AW10 said:
Can you check if there are different clock springs on the different cars or is it one size fits all? That could put your mind at ease about the future life of your clock spring (or not!).
The clockspring was specifically for my car(maybe Renault Scenics are the same?) It comes as whole unit with the indicator/light stalks all in one. Well, got correct steering rack on, at last! Done tracking myself and everything is tickety-boo! No asr/esp lights now!!:-) But, there were a few days i drove (gingerly not turning full lock) with the wrongly supplied rack on but with a brand new Renault airbag clockspring/stalks unit on.
Bloody air bag light now comes on intermittently ffs, how?? Even with old clockspring on which was buggered beyond belief it never threw an airbag light, why now?
Could it just be a coincidence airbag connection under seat might have become a bit dodgy just now?
I checked new clockspring for damage before putting this new rack on, It turned as it should and stopped when it should, i double checked it was centrally located and put steering wheel back on.
All connections on airbag are pretty well full proof when putting things back together, i odn't understand this, it's the fact the airbag light goes of and on while driving makes me think maybe a faulty connection with the under seat plug? My rover 75 used to do this.
I do a lot of reading on things before i touch them so i'm pretty sure i've done nothing wrong.
Bloody air bag light now comes on intermittently ffs, how?? Even with old clockspring on which was buggered beyond belief it never threw an airbag light, why now?
Could it just be a coincidence airbag connection under seat might have become a bit dodgy just now?
I checked new clockspring for damage before putting this new rack on, It turned as it should and stopped when it should, i double checked it was centrally located and put steering wheel back on.
All connections on airbag are pretty well full proof when putting things back together, i odn't understand this, it's the fact the airbag light goes of and on while driving makes me think maybe a faulty connection with the under seat plug? My rover 75 used to do this.
I do a lot of reading on things before i touch them so i'm pretty sure i've done nothing wrong.
robbocop33 said:
Well, got correct steering rack on, at last! Done tracking myself and everything is tickety-boo! No asr/esp lights now!!:-) But, there were a few days i drove (gingerly not turning full lock) with the wrongly supplied rack on but with a brand new Renault airbag clockspring/stalks unit on.
Bloody air bag light now comes on intermittently ffs, how?? Even with old clockspring on which was buggered beyond belief it never threw an airbag light, why now?
Could it just be a coincidence airbag connection under seat might have become a bit dodgy just now?
I checked new clockspring for damage before putting this new rack on, It turned as it should and stopped when it should, i double checked it was centrally located and put steering wheel back on.
All connections on airbag are pretty well full proof when putting things back together, i odn't understand this, it's the fact the airbag light goes of and on while driving makes me think maybe a faulty connection with the under seat plug? My rover 75 used to do this.
I do a lot of reading on things before i touch them so i'm pretty sure i've done nothing wrong.
Hi Robbocop33, Bloody air bag light now comes on intermittently ffs, how?? Even with old clockspring on which was buggered beyond belief it never threw an airbag light, why now?
Could it just be a coincidence airbag connection under seat might have become a bit dodgy just now?
I checked new clockspring for damage before putting this new rack on, It turned as it should and stopped when it should, i double checked it was centrally located and put steering wheel back on.
All connections on airbag are pretty well full proof when putting things back together, i odn't understand this, it's the fact the airbag light goes of and on while driving makes me think maybe a faulty connection with the under seat plug? My rover 75 used to do this.
I do a lot of reading on things before i touch them so i'm pretty sure i've done nothing wrong.
I had a airbag light that kept flicking on and off. And I just simply cleaned the connector plug with electrical spray which sorted that. Do you have a diagnostic scanner or a mate that could lend you his?
Matt
MangledMetal said:
Cant you whip the steering wheel off and turn it round a few splines?
Trackings all fine now, you can't take steering wheel off this car and turn it round a spline or two anyway, there's an algnment punch mark on the top of the splined shaft, which lines up to steering wheel mark.If you did do that i'm sure it would throw off the steering wheel angle sensor?
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