Sump plug bolt leaking
Sump plug bolt leaking
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Ant99

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4 posts

90 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Hi, I changed the oil and my sump plug bolt is leaking. When I undid the bolt it was very tight and wouldn't undo by hand. I think the garage might have done something to it last year when they changed the oil because I had to take it back because it was leaking. Is there anything I can do, I've already put a nylon washer on because the bolt was jumping when it got tight. Is there a gasket paste I could use or something else. The bolt was new. Thanks.

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Did the bolt have a washer attached to it?

sunbeam alpine

7,249 posts

218 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Sounds to me as though the thread has gone in the sump case.

stevemcs

10,361 posts

123 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Is it a vw

thebraketester

15,821 posts

168 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Sounds like it either needs a new sump or drilling and re-tapping for a larger plug

Ant99

Original Poster:

4 posts

90 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Thanks a lot for the replies. Yes it's a VW mk5 golf. I think in my heart I knew it needed a new sump pan but thought I'd see if anything else was available because changing the sump pan looks a big jobs with lots of possibilities of other things going wrong and needing doing.

stevemcs

10,361 posts

123 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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If it has the alloy sump people tend to over tighten the bolt and stretch the thread. If you can live with it try and combine it with an oil service.

Pando99

139 posts

89 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Helicoil !

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

228 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Can't do much proper without taking the pan off really. As a bodge you could try draining the oil, cleaning the hole really well with white spirit and putting some silicone sealant in there before replacing the bolt. That might work if the leak isn't too bad.

GreenV8S

31,027 posts

314 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Ant99 said:
Hi, I changed the oil and my sump plug bolt is leaking. When I undid the bolt it was very tight and wouldn't undo by hand. I think the garage might have done something to it last year when they changed the oil because I had to take it back because it was leaking. Is there anything I can do, I've already put a nylon washer on because the bolt was jumping when it got tight. Is there a gasket paste I could use or something else. The bolt was new. Thanks.
Sounds like they stripped the thread last year trying to fix the leak, and bodged it by gluing the sump plug in. You could try the same bodge if you don't fancy taking the sump off to fix it properly. You chances of success will depend on how thoroughly you can clean the face that you want to seal - presumably the outer face since it's the only one you have any chance of cleaning well enough. For somebody with a little experience, it would probably be possible to fit a thread insert without taking the sump off if you were willing to take the risk of swarf getting away from you.

Ant99

Original Poster:

4 posts

90 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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Thanks again for the replies. I've never heard of a helicoil so will do some research on them. If not I'm thinking of taking to a garage to get it done properly otherwise I'll just have the same problem next year. Typical trying to save some money doing it myself and ending up spending more.

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

290 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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Helicoil is the best ides but if you want to try a sealant first then loctite do one that's high temp and oil/petrol resistant. It's specifically for sumps and front covers. It's black and available in halfords. You could smear it on the threads and under the washer.

Si 5980.

rustednut

807 posts

77 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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As others have said it sounds like the threads have gone in the sump.

How bad is the leak? Anything more than an annoying odd drip and there is the possibility of it failing whilst driving and causing sudden oil loss and a dead engine. Dont forget about heat and vibration. How tight is the bolt into the sump? Can it spin easily or is it tight but leaking slightly?

If the leak is bad, and the bolt is potentially loose, bite the bullet and get a new sump, or thread repair, or a full seal of the existing bolt immediately, which will involve an oil change, again.

You are not the 1st to be in this position so dont worry that it was your fault, its more likely a combination of events that caused it.

But do assess the risks to avoid it becoming a much bigger issue

magpie215

5,042 posts

219 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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Friends Alfa had a stripped sump threads , apparently such a common occurrence that the owners forum had tapered thread replacement sump plugs available.

I fitted one for him and it stayed fitted for the further 5 years he had the car with all subsequent oil changed done with a Pela extractor.

Jakg

4,050 posts

198 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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I would at least investigate how much a new sump is, and how much effort it is.

My wifes Mk4 Golf had a "funny sized" sump plug and I could never work out why.

Well the threads stripped and when I measured it, it was one of those oversized repair ones.

I took the sump off and could see it'd been "repaired" - drilled out while fitted - as there was a perfect ring of swarf stuck in the oil strainer. Who knows where the rest of the swarf went...

A new sump was £45 and fitting wasn't that bad - although this was the ancient 2.0 petrol. You might be surprised.

saladdays

141 posts

95 months

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

290 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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saladdays said:
That's a neat idea.

spikeyhead

20,547 posts

227 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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Boosted LS1 said:
saladdays said:
That's a neat idea.
It does say that it can be used as a temporary repair. I'd not want to rely on that for any length of time.

Oversize sump plugs are available, and plenty of garages carry kits including the oversize taps to cut in new threads.

taxi13

6 posts

78 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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I agree with 'Thebraketester' above, If it has an M14 thread, you can buy an M16x1.5 Tap/Threadcutter on Ebay for about £6. Drill and re-tap the hole. Also on Ebay are M16x1.5 replacement sump plugs and washers for £3.

deggles

723 posts

232 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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Had the exact same problem on my Mk5 Golf!

Double check you have the correct sump plug. I thought the threads had been stripped on mine, the plug just wouldn't torque up after an oil change (new oil, filter and sump plug from Eurocarparts) and I lived with a drip for about a year.

Was contemplating a sump change and even bought an oversize plug and tap kit but gave up trying to DIY it - access is too tricky without a lift. Next oil change I thought I'd just try putting the original OEM plug back (I never throw anything out!) and it's absolutely fine. Whether the ECP one is a slightly different thread pitch or just crap tolerances, I don't know!