Stripped expensive hex bolt - help!
Stripped expensive hex bolt - help!
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youngsyr

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222 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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So my now year long project to restore a neglected 996 Turbo to full health has been a series of skirmishes and battles, but I think I'm starting to win the war!

Latest conflict is a stuck rear wing bolt that has a pin through it to seat yhe rear wing. They're not available separately from the (£££) spoiler from Porsche and an aftermarket manufacturer in the States wants $150 plus import taxes for a pair! eek

There are two in the spoiler blade and they're threadlocked in.

The hex key is 14mm and it took a huge amount of force with an impact gum to get the first out, but it did come out.

I've now stripped the second trying to get it out and it's stuck after rotating a few times and shifting it about 1mm out of its housing.

I have screw extractors, but don't want to destroy the very expensive bolt. I've tried lubrication with no joy.

Can anyone suggest a way to try yo get it out?

Pics starting with removed good bolt.










Nickyboy

6,825 posts

264 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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Looks to me like you've already destroyed it, get the extractors on it

shtu

4,592 posts

176 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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youngsyr said:
threadlocked in
Heat. Breaks down threadlock.

Beyond that, the multitude of methods that are well-known. Penetrating oil, work the bolt to and fro, Torx bit hammered into the stripped hex, etc., etc., etc.

Avoid the stud extractors if at all possible. Break one of those off and you're in a world of pain.

youngsyr

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Wednesday 28th April 2021
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Nickyboy said:
Looks to me like you've already destroyed it, get the extractors on it
It's still perfectly serviceable - the hex thread is only there so you can remove it.

The pin further down is what secures the wing in place.

Defcon5

6,473 posts

221 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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Can’t you get bits that are two pronged, so a prong would go either side of the pin

youngsyr

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shtu said:
Heat. Breaks down threadlock.

Beyond that, the multitude of methods that are well-known. Penetrating oil, work the bolt to and fro, Torx bit hammered into the stripped hex, etc., etc., etc.

Avoid the stud extractors if at all possible. Break one of those off and you're in a world of pain.
Thanks, I'll get the blow torch out. I really don't want to damage the oem wing though- it's a simple thing, but it costs over a grand even second hand!

Every day a journey

3,169 posts

68 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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Walk away. Have a beer. Get the nxt size hex key up. Go back to it. Voila.

youngsyr

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Wednesday 28th April 2021
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Defcon5 said:
Can’t you get bits that are two pronged, so a prong would go either side of the pin
The pin sits in a circular hole, below the hex head part and I don't think it's strong enough to take the torque - I've already had an impact gun on it which stripped the hex part.

barryrs

5,043 posts

253 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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It looks like a capless crank bolt but if you can find the right size you would need to install the pin yourself.

As the stuck one is pretty knackered could you use some long nose pliers and grip the pin to rotate it?

shtu

4,592 posts

176 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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Don't try to "undo it".

Try to move it. Either direction. Even slightly.

Once you have that, you extend the amount it moves, until you are winding it to\fro a full turn at a time.

And as above - patience, young grasshopper.

The Moose

23,683 posts

239 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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I'm not sure I entirely follow how that central pin secures anything?!

Huff

3,431 posts

221 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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First thing might be to hawk the one you got out around local engineering companies, asking if they / someone proficient in turning can make you half a dozen in stainless, because I think you might whittle those, or a sufficiently-close approximation, out of a standard cap-head machine screw.

Now - I'm no mechE - but that's an interesting part - the head is thin, yes, and the hex v v shallow - beyond which there's a small bore inside the threaded portion drilled to see the pin through it - and obvs the whole cross-drilled to allow the pin insertion.

Yet there's really no magic here. That the hex doesn't look any deeper than the depth of the head flange, and this is good: I reckon you might start take an M-whatever-the-thread-is socket-head cap screw, and with a bit of creativity on a lathe - turn the head down to such a flat button, or maybe a mm or so thicker to allow more purchase!; then bore and crossdrill to match. Turn the threaded end down to suit the profile pictured. worth a few beers in goodwill to someone willing to try?

Buy a few candidates from namrick, see if they fit the threaded hole you have. Go from there. HTH.

Edited by Huff on Wednesday 28th April 20:41

youngsyr

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Wednesday 28th April 2021
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Every day a journey said:
Walk away. Have a beer. Get the nxt size hex key up. Go back to it. Voila.
At some point I need to stop buying tools and just buy the replacement parts!

InitialDave

15,141 posts

149 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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Is there access to the other side of the panel? Rather than a blowtorch, I'd use an induction heater, more localised.

youngsyr

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Wednesday 28th April 2021
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barryrs said:
It looks like a capless crank bolt but if you can find the right size you would need to install the pin yourself.

As the stuck one is pretty knackered could you use some long nose pliers and grip the pin to rotate it?
Interesting, thanks. I've stripped the hex thread with an impact gun trying to get it out. Don't think pliers will budge it.

Legacywr

15,778 posts

218 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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Just to be clear, are you saying the thread has stripped, so that it’s now rotating, but not moving in or out?

gazza285

11,205 posts

238 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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With stuff like that, I would be hammering in the tightest fitting Torx bit I could find and trying that.

InitialDave

15,141 posts

149 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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I think OP means he chewed up the internal hex wrenching feature

shtu

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176 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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The Moose said:
I'm not sure I entirely follow how that central pin secures anything?!
It doesn't.

What it does is make it a Special Porsche Fixing, that requires Porsche Special Tool Number 898876766a, available only to Official Porsche Dealerships.

s p a c e m a n

12,119 posts

178 months

Wednesday 28th April 2021
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I also am confused about what the pin does.