Battery life (no not EV)
Battery life (no not EV)
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Pica-Pica

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16,634 posts

114 months

Sunday 9th January 2022
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My wife tried to start her car this morning. Zilch. Flat battery. No point re-charging, just ordered a new one from Halfords. Looking at the handbook it recommends changing battery after five years. Car is a Skoda Fabia 1.2 TSi at nearly 9 years old, and 68k miles. So fair enough, especially with recent short journeys and cold weather.
So the question of opinion/experience is, how long do you expect a standard ICE battery to last?
My experience is.
(this) Skoda Fabia. Almost 9 years from new on a 1.2 TSi
BMW E 36 I6 2.5 litre, probably two replacement batteries in 19 years.
Volvo 740 GL one replacement in 10 years.

Would a stop/start facilitated car’s battery (and switching off stop/start feature on a regular basis) have a longer life.
How long is your ‘piece of string’?

Sheepshanks

41,156 posts

149 months

Sunday 9th January 2022
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Daughter just had a new one in her 5yr old Jazz - she didn't tell me, just got the AA to change it for £99 after it failed to start. You can buy a Jazz battery from Tayna for about £40 - reading Jazz forums a lot of the old folk change them every 3yrs as a matter of course.

VAG cars seem to have very erratic battery life - you read lots of comments of them failing in 2-3 yrs. Very random whether the owner gets it covered under warranty.

Caddyshack

15,006 posts

236 months

Sunday 9th January 2022
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Anything over 5 yrs is good for a modern battery. I believe their life is reduced the longer they are left at zero voltage before recharge.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 9th January 2022
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Caddyshack said:
Anything over 5 yrs is good for a modern battery. I believe their life is reduced the longer they are left at zero voltage before recharge.
This pretty much, leaving a lead acid battery flat for any length of time will generally wreck it, it might be recoverable with a fancy charger but will probably die for good in the next cold snap.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 9th January 2022
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Pica-Pica said:
...Looking at the handbook it recommends changing battery after five years. ....
I've never heard of such a recommendation before. Last 3 batteries I have changed:

Daughters Fords, both changed batteries at about 8 years because the cranking speed in frosty cold starts was noticeably slower than normal for their cars in those conditions.
My Jaguar, changed at 6 years because it was standing unused for long periods so needed a good battery to retain charge.

That said, imo it's always better to replace a battery well before it lets you down which is probably the 5 year point even though I regularly exceed that. I don't think it's difficult to detect when a battery is losing it's ability to hold charge etc by how well it turns the engine taking account of temperature, how long it's been standing etc.

Pica-Pica

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16,634 posts

114 months

Sunday 9th January 2022
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With my wife’s Fabia, there was no indication of poor cranking/start, but there you go.

sam hill

7 posts

57 months

Sunday 9th January 2022
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Depends very much on local climate (very cold conditions hurt battery life) and use of car (e.g. lots of short journeys vs regular long trips).

Mr Tidy

31,560 posts

157 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Pica-Pica said:
Would a stop/start facilitated car’s battery (and switching off stop/start feature on a regular basis) have a longer life.
How long is your ‘piece of string’?
I've only had one car with stop/start and that was a 2007 BMW 123d. The AGM battery didn't last 5 years, had to be coded to the car once replaced and cost over £250 fitted and coded at an Indy - Sytner wanted over £300! And the starter motor didn't last 7 years.

Kept turning stop/start off and crossing my fingers until I sold it!

But my 2006 Z4 didn't need a new "normal" battery until 2016 and that only cost about £120 to replace.

So my limited experience suggests stop/start is more likely to kill the battery than prolong its' life!






Aunty Pasty

786 posts

68 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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The battery in my Golf only lasted 3.5 years from new, I think it was an EFL battery and up to then I usually just let the Stop/Start mechanism do its thing. Now I tend to turn off the Stop/Start feature. I'd changed it to a AGM battery at Halfords where they coded it up as well.

From what I've read, VW batteries of that time were a bit pants.

cuprabob

19,738 posts

244 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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Aunty Pasty said:
From what I've read, VW batteries of that time were a bit pants.
On my VWs, no problems if they came fitted with Varta batteries however my latest one came with an Exide battery and it wasn't very good. Replaced with a Bosch, which touch wood, is spot on.

Pica-Pica

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16,634 posts

114 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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cuprabob said:
Aunty Pasty said:
From what I've read, VW batteries of that time were a bit pants.
On my VWs, no problems if they came fitted with Varta batteries however my latest one came with an Exide battery and it wasn't very good. Replaced with a Bosch, which touch wood, is spot on.
Our Skoda battery was a Varta.
Now replaced by a Halfords Yuasa. £103. I have just collected it and now fitted it in the cold and rain. No loss or broken hardware either! Car started fine and radio did not need re-coding. It’s been many years since I last fitted a battery! All good for a few years now!

Edited by Pica-Pica on Monday 10th January 12:54

Whatapex

78 posts

109 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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I changed the battery in my 2008 BMW 330d in 2017,turned out there was nothing wrong with it and kept it in the shed.
Still use it from time to time,shows 12.64v even after months of sitting.
That's the battery the car came with,BMW branded but made by Banner.

saladdays

141 posts

95 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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I recently replaced a 4 year old Exide 027 EFB 59Ah battery with a larger Halfords Yuasa 096 EFB 75Ah battery.

I registered it with Carista.

The battery tray in my Skoda takes more than one size. Quite a few people do it.....
https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/439978-027-t...

Panamax

9,851 posts

64 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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The more regularly a car is used the longer the battery will last. It doesn't have to be every day but it certainly ought to be weekly. My batteries rarely fail and I tend to change them on a precautionary basis between 6 and 8 years old.

Car batteries like to be at full charge all the time. They're not intended to flatten a bit and then recharge like a phone battery. The chemistry of a lead/acid battery causes something called sulphation of the battery plates if the battery sits below full charge. Over time the efficiency just goes down and down.

Charging will never fix a knackered battery. It may enable a poor battery to start the car but the battery will never be able to hold a decent amount of charge. This is what's tested when a battery specialist does a high current drain test on your battery.

Pica-Pica

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16,634 posts

114 months

Monday 10th January 2022
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saladdays said:
I recently replaced a 4 year old Exide 027 EFB 59Ah battery with a larger Halfords Yuasa 096 EFB 75Ah battery.

I registered it with Carista.

The battery tray in my Skoda takes more than one size. Quite a few people do it.....
https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/439978-027-t...
Yes, when I fitted the new battery, I noticed the battery tray had the space for a bigger size. As the article says, it needs a new, larger battery jacket to fit the larger battery.

Knoxville2410

292 posts

89 months

Tuesday 11th January 2022
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Changed the original Exide battery in my 2013 320d just before Christmas. Started struggling to start a few months ago and then in December failed to start at all.

Bought a slightly higher ah and CCA Exide from Tayna for £115 delivered and paid a local indie £40 to code.

It probably helped that I do a lot of motorway journeys and coded stop/start off by default when I bought the car 3 years ago.