Car suddenly intolerant of E10 petrol
Car suddenly intolerant of E10 petrol
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SebastienClement

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1,952 posts

170 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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I've got a bit of a strange issue. My 2002 Volvo S60 2.0t seems to have suddenly become intolerant of E10 petrol. I've run the car exclusively on Sainsbury's unleaded since buying it last year, from the same filling station each time. It's been perfectly OK until a couple of weeks ago, when I began noticing hesitation which then led to a full blown misfire, constantly running on 4 cylinders rather than 5. The cylinder that is affected is cylinder 5.

I didn't think of fuel to begin with, because only one cylinder is affected (according the the EML fault code). Tried the usual things like swapping the plug and coil onto cyl 4, but the misfire stayed with cyl 5.

Had it into the garage, but as Sod's Law dictates, the car behaved perfectly for them, so no fault found. Just to rule out compression, I did a test on all 5 cylinders with came back with a consistent 200psi across the engine - no problem there.

As a bit of a last resort I stuck a tank of Esso E5 premium fuel in. The car felt totally different - no further issues over two tanks. I'm assuming I still have an issue brewing (injector?) but the E10 fuel is exacerbating it?

Has anyone else encountered this?

CoolHands

23,513 posts

225 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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I think you’ve leapt to the very unlikely conclusion it is the e10. More likely a different problem eg the injector as you say.

SebastienClement

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1,952 posts

170 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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CoolHands said:
I think you’ve leapt to the very unlikely conclusion it is the e10. More likely a different problem eg the injector as you say.
I think it's definitely something to do with the fuel - but perhaps exacerbating a brewing issue.

I've been a month chasing this issue, and suddenly a tank of premium fuel and it hasn't acted up in hundreds of miles.

bitchstewie

67,764 posts

240 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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Depending where you are in the country Esso Synergy Supreme is slightly unique among "premium" fuels in that it doesn't have any ethanol in it.

I don't know enough about car engines to know whether that could have anything to do with it but it's the one thing that leaps out about the "instant" change in behaviour as definitely being different.

86DA

231 posts

157 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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Could it be contaminated fuel, maybe fill up with the best premium fuel available, run down to half a tank then refill etc.

If it still runs badly then you know it is an engine issue.

I had some bad diesel on one occasion and the above sorted it.

Dogwatch

6,383 posts

252 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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anonymous said:
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Or at least put in a tank of decent stuff every so often

toddygti

96 posts

168 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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I'd suggest you check.
99% of cars pre-2011 should not be run on E10 unleaded so there might be your first issue.
How often do you use the car?

Jordie Barretts sock

6,018 posts

49 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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toddygti said:
I'd suggest you check.
99% of cars pre-2011 should not be run on E10 unleaded so there might be your first issue.
How often do you use the car?
I presume you are going to back this sweeping (and totally wrong) generalisation up with some evidence?

E-bmw

13,442 posts

182 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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toddygti said:
I'd suggest you check.
99% of cars pre-2011 should not be run on E10 unleaded so there might be your first issue.
WOW, well I am goosed then 100% of my cars have run perfectly on it since it came out & only 2 (the current ones) out of that 8 cars are post 2010.

andybracing

159 posts

203 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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SebastienClement said:
I've got a bit of a strange issue. My 2002 Volvo S60 2.0t seems to have suddenly become intolerant of E10 petrol. I've run the car exclusively on Sainsbury's unleaded since buying it last year, from the same filling station each time. It's been perfectly OK until a couple of weeks ago, when I began noticing hesitation which then led to a full blown misfire, constantly running on 4 cylinders rather than 5. The cylinder that is affected is cylinder 5.

I didn't think of fuel to begin with, because only one cylinder is affected (according the the EML fault code). Tried the usual things like swapping the plug and coil onto cyl 4, but the misfire stayed with cyl 5.

Had it into the garage, but as Sod's Law dictates, the car behaved perfectly for them, so no fault found. Just to rule out compression, I did a test on all 5 cylinders with came back with a consistent 200psi across the engine - no problem there.

As a bit of a last resort I stuck a tank of Esso E5 premium fuel in. The car felt totally different - no further issues over two tanks. I'm assuming I still have an issue brewing (injector?) but the E10 fuel is exacerbating it?

Has anyone else encountered this?
Its a bit of a leap to think its E10 thats the problem, if that was the problem then it would most likely have run badly whenever used, its more likely a fault with the car, E10 isnt the devil people make it out to be, yes it can eat fuel lines, but most modern hoses can cope with it/are designed for it, as are most ecu able to adapt. It may have been a bad tank of fuel, but very unlikely unless you use a very out of the way petrol station, most fuel isnt there long.
It is possable that you have a injector that is going bad, and E10 shows this more, but thats where i would be looking, otherwise, why is it on only one cylinder. I remember back in the day when we were alowd naughty fuels in racing, we used to get through injectors alot, but im talking many years ago.
So while it may not have helped, i would be supprised if the fuel is the main cause.
Having the injectors tested is a fairly cheap thing to have done. And that would be my first call, If it was a collapsed fuel line or something, it would affect all cylinders.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Monday 3rd April 2023
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toddygti said:
I'd suggest you check.
99% of cars pre-2011 should not be run on E10 unleaded so there might be your first issue.
How often do you use the car?
Absolute arse water

GreenV8S

31,021 posts

314 months

Monday 3rd April 2023
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Ethanol needs a slightly different air fuel mass ratio to burn efficiently. It's possible that the affected cylinder is already slightly out of optimum and this small change is enough to cause running problems. A healthy engine would usually compensate for this change based on EGO feedback, but if it's only affecting one cylinder then the ECU will have to compromise.

ETA the fact the symptoms hid when faced with the expert suggests the problem may be sensitive to the environment or the way it is driven, and not a simple component failure.

Edited by GreenV8S on Monday 3rd April 13:19