Torque wrench advice
Torque wrench advice
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tim0409

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5,954 posts

189 months

Tuesday 15th August 2023
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I would be really grateful for some advice on torque wrenches.

I’m 50 in a few weeks and my mother and sister in law are looking to buy me a gift and I was struggling to think of something, but a torque wrench (or two) would make me very happy! I recently moved into a new house with a double garage and so plan on spending more time on some projects. I have an old Caddy van which I have been working on (electrics) and now plan on changing the timing belt/clutch etc, but also have a motorbike I also maintain, so I suspect I will need two torque wrenches to cover all bases. I currently have a 1/2in Halfords wrench that has seen better days, and a 3/8in that was given to me years ago, and I suspect both aren’t very accurate.

I have narrowed it down to either Norbar or Halfords (from what I have read Norbar make them for Halfords). Again, I would be grateful for advice on the best combo and brand.

Thanks.

richhead

3,398 posts

41 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Or get a tourque tester, as most decent wrenches are adjustable, so test once in a while, and reset.
Used to have one that went in a vice worked well.

Belle427

11,903 posts

263 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Halfords are fine, as you say quite possibly made by norbar and it doesnt come any better, treated correctly they will outlast you.
I have 2.

Pica-Pica

16,606 posts

114 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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I have just bought a Halfords Advanced 200, based on several reviews on here and elsewhere. I have yet to use it, though. (Another aspect of growing car sizes is the increase in wheel securing torques!)

tapkaJohnD

2,000 posts

234 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Tim,
I know this might make you have to think of something else to ask for your birthday, but have you checked your old torque wrenches?

Easily done, if you have a bench vice. Clamp the square drive bar in the vice, so that the handle is horizontal. Hang a weight - needs to be substantial! I use an old flywheel - from the handle and move it away from the pivot until the wrench 'clicks' then measure the distance from the pivot.

Then multiply the weight by the distance, and this tells you the lbs-ft at which the wrench has clicked, for you to compare with the setting. A +/- 5% is acceptable.
Good Luck, and Happy Birthday!

John

gt40steve

1,422 posts

134 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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I have a Norbar one branded 'American Pro' from an old Snap On competitor.

Our calibration man took one look at it and said that's a Norbar, that will be fine ! Indeed it was.

That was years ago, I recently had it on a calibrated tester at my current employer and it is still accurate.

tux850

1,956 posts

119 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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tapkaJohnD said:
Tim,
I know this might make you have to think of something else to ask for your birthday, but have you checked your old torque wrenches?

Easily done, if you have a bench vice. Clamp the square drive bar in the vice, so that the handle is horizontal. Hang a weight - needs to be substantial! I use an old flywheel - from the handle and move it away from the pivot until the wrench 'clicks' then measure the distance from the pivot.

Then multiply the weight by the distance, and this tells you the lbs-ft at which the wrench has clicked, for you to compare with the setting. A +/- 5% is acceptable.
Good Luck, and Happy Birthday!

John
Assuming your scales to weigh the flywheel are accurate enough... ;-)

Joking aside I think it's a good idea (surely got to be better than *not* calibrating it) and I was toying with trying it myself.

tim0409

Original Poster:

5,954 posts

189 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Many thanks for all the helpful comments; I can’t believe I’m being talked out of buying/receiving a new tool smile

I will have a look at getting it calibrated, but failing that I might direct my family to the previously mentioned Halfords wrench.

richhead

3,398 posts

41 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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tim0409 said:
Many thanks for all the helpful comments; I can’t believe I’m being talked out of buying/receiving a new tool smile

I will have a look at getting it calibrated, but failing that I might direct my family to the previously mentioned Halfords wrench.
Testers arent much to buy, and i never trust even a new tourque wrench until testing, have found them to be wildly out sometimes, often the more expensive ones aswell.

richhead

3,398 posts

41 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Ah just looked and our tester is about a thousand quid, so maybe not lol
We do have alot of tourque wrenches tho and test them every week

tim0409

Original Poster:

5,954 posts

189 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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I’ve just had another look at the Halfords website and they do the 200 and the 300 with ranges from 40-200 and 60-300nm respectively; quick question - If I also got the 3/8in wrench with a range from 12-60nm, is there any reason not to go for the higher range 300? I’ve never come across anything yet that needed anything like 300nm.

I’ve been doing basic car and bike maintenance for years, but only now that I have a garage will I be tackling more involved stuff.

Pica-Pica

16,606 posts

114 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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tim0409 said:
I’ve just had another look at the Halfords website and they do the 200 and the 300 with ranges from 40-200 and 60-300nm respectively; quick question - If I also got the 3/8in wrench with a range from 12-60nm, is there any reason not to go for the higher range 300? I’ve never come across anything yet that needed anything like 300nm.

I’ve been doing basic car and bike maintenance for years, but only now that I have a garage will I be tackling more involved stuff.
My F30 335d requires 140Nm, even a Fabia requires 120Nm. My previous Norbar was up to 100Nm, as I only needed 90Nm for a wheel nut back then (bolts now, of course). I cannot see any need for above 200Nm for a car, but then I will only be tackling wheel fasteners. Have a look in your handbook (or that of any likely vehicle you may purchase).

richhead

3,398 posts

41 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Pica-Pica said:
tim0409 said:
I’ve just had another look at the Halfords website and they do the 200 and the 300 with ranges from 40-200 and 60-300nm respectively; quick question - If I also got the 3/8in wrench with a range from 12-60nm, is there any reason not to go for the higher range 300? I’ve never come across anything yet that needed anything like 300nm.

I’ve been doing basic car and bike maintenance for years, but only now that I have a garage will I be tackling more involved stuff.
My F30 335d requires 140Nm, even a Fabia requires 120Nm. My previous Norbar was up to 100Nm, as I only needed 90Nm for a wheel nut back then (bolts now, of course). I cannot see any need for above 200Nm for a car, but then I will only be tackling wheel fasteners. Have a look in your handbook (or that of any likely vehicle you may purchase).
best practice is to use a tourque wrench thats as close as possible to its middle range, this is where they are most acurate, but for general car stuff im sure it wont make much odds, some hub nuts can be tight, so for your use i would get the 3/8 one for up to 60 and the bigger one for the rest.
Lets face it alot of garages just do things up with an impact gun anyway, so whatever you are doing will be asgood or better.

littleredrooster

6,384 posts

226 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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I've got a Norbar which is coming up to 50 years old and stil giving good service (used yesterday).

I calibrated it two years ago and it was pretty-much spot-on; I always remember to wind it back to zero after every use to unload the spring.

DegsyE39

603 posts

157 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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£10-20 Norbar off of Facebook marketplace is all you'll ever need, check it all works before paying etc. The cheapo ones are crap paperweights!

poppopbangbang

2,581 posts

171 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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I've been quite impressed with these:

https://www.sealey.co.uk/product/5637894593/3pc-mi...

For £140 a set off Amazon. They were meant to be a disposable set (as my expensive Snap-On digital one had died and I needed to finish putting the Porsche back together) but came with a test cert for each one and on testing them they're all within +/- 2% - they're annodised so they'll wear like ste in a workshop environment but for occasional home use you can't really go far wrong!

A Norbar 340 will outlast you at similar money but that's only one 1/2" one for the money, or an old Norbar SL2 is probably less than £50 on the bay smile

Edited by poppopbangbang on Thursday 17th August 00:21

richhead

3,398 posts

41 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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poppopbangbang said:
I've been quite impressed with these:

https://www.sealey.co.uk/product/5637894593/3pc-mi...

For £140 a set off Amazon. They were meant to be a disposable set (as my expensive Snap-On digital one had died and I needed to finish putting the Porsche back together) but came with a test cert for each one and on testing them they're all within +/- 2% - they're annodised so they'll wear like ste in a workshop environment but for occasional home use you can't really go far wrong!

A Norbar 340 will outlast you at similar money but that's only one 1/2" one for the money, or an old Norbar SL2 is probably less than £50 on the bay smile

Edited by poppopbangbang on Thursday 17th August 00:21
They look very good for the money, never rated snapon tourque wrenches, managed to snap the drive off a 1/2 inch one well within tourque setting a touring car diff.

Tony1963

5,808 posts

192 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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Torque

tapkaJohnD

2,000 posts

234 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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On Norbar,
Last year, I bought a old low-torque bar (5 to 40ft-lbs) from an online auction. It was fine when I checked it, but over the next six months or so, the plastic window that was part of the handle misted over. It wasn't condensation, the plastic had deteriorated somehow, and the setting was unreadable. So I sent it to Norbar, asking if they could replace the handle.

They apologised (!) that they could not do that, but offered me a new one at 50% discount! Yes, please! I paid less than that for the old wrench, so it was a bargain!

John ,
(No connection with Norbar, save as a customer)

Legacywr

15,695 posts

218 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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Don't forget to wind the tension off of the spring when you're not using it.