Quick Citroen Saxo question

[raceboy]

In the hunt for Racegirls next wagon the Citreon Saxo VTR keeps cropping up, mainly because I can't find a nice Pug 106GTi, going to see one today but it's overdue for a service and probably a CamBelt change, so with all the garages shut, anyone got a good guess how much I can expect to pay a service/cambelt change?

[Rob_F]

Now, i realise i am a genius, and these ideas might not come to everybody - but how about using the yellow pages and phoning the local Citroen dealer?

Rob.

[thetruemackie]

Isn't it the VTS that's the "hot" one? The VTR is down 30bhp on the 106 GTi

[agent006]

Rob_F said:

Now, i realise i am a genius, and these ideas might not come to everybody - but how about using the yellow pages and phoning the local Citroen dealer?

Because it's a bank holiday and they (or at least the service department) will be shut.

Edit, hell he even says it in the original post. Genius? Muppet.

>> Edited by agent006 on Monday 28th March 14:30

[Mr E]

VTS is the 120bhp 16valver. A 106 GTi in all but name (and a slightly longer box so it can do 60 in 2nd and therefore post a better 0-60 for bragging rights).

The VTS is the 90bhp 8 valver. Group 7 insurance though....

[Rob_F]

agent006 said:

Rob_F said: Now, i realise i am a genius, and these ideas might not come to everybody - but how about using the yellow pages and phoning the local Citroen dealer? Because it's a bank holiday and they (or at least the service department) will be shut. Edit, hell he even says it in the original post. Genius? Muppet. >> Edited by agent006 on Monday 28th March 14:30

lol, whoops

Rob.

[sjg]

It's something like £130ish for cambelt/tensioner, may be worth doing water pump as well - mine's due soon!

The VTRs are OK but more in demand because of the lower insurance and Maxer appeal. On the other hand, there seems to be no end of good VTSs around, many of which have had more mature owners than the usual 19/20 year olds with VTRs. To be honest though, in "normal" (shift up at 4k) driving the VTR is at least as quick, it's only beyond that the VTS/GTi will trounce it.

I did think about getting a cheaper VTS when I got my 106GTi, but the low(er) rent interior and general looks put me off. Worth spending some more time looking around for a good one IMO. They drive the same - absolutely superb fun.

[Mr E]

anonymous said:

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Thanks boss. I did indeed.

>> Edited by Mr E on Monday 28th March 16:48

[raceboy]

sjg said:

It's something like £130ish for cambelt/tensioner, may be worth doing water pump as well - mine's due soon!

Cheers for the one post answering the question
And very comprehensive service details in your profile
The car was quite nice, and the price is good so I can see a deal being done, just got to go see my local oily bloke tomorrow to sort a few points out
And yes VTR is 1.6 8v VTS is 1.6 16v They are a similar price used but the insurance is a lot cheaper on a VTR, not a huge issue but it's more money for petrol and cakes
Was originally looking for a 106GTi but they are like hens teeth, and VTS's are quite thin on the ground, VTR's seem a lot more common but even this one was a 100 mile round trip, got to say The Snake Pass in the little Clio was a laugh

[CB-Dave]

why not look for a 106 XSi - it's the VTR equivalent with a nicer interior and a better badge (imo!)

[raceboy]

XSi's are even rarer than GTi's
This VTR looks a goer, it's just boils down to how I play the deal,
IMHO it needs....
a service/cambelt change as there is no 100% proof it's been done last service was 41k is now at 60k but the oil and air filter look ok it might have been changed just not got any proof, so thats going to cost £150 tops
It could do with one new tyre, looks like the front NS got done recently but they left the OS so thats £50 tops
It's got no Tax, but the tax on the Clio is due so thats not an issue.
The good points.... it'll come with 12 monthe MOT, it's the best colour it all looks straight, 2 owners from new, hasn't been played about with at all, interior is mint, it's got the ABS option, and taking into account it's 5 years old the body is good
The cars a 2000 V plate and it's going to cost me £2500 for cash or £2200 with the Clio as Part ex, going to chuck the Clio through an MOT this week as that's only got 2 weeks to run, if it passes I'm going to keep it and run it as my 2nd car, if it fails he can have it as a part ex

[KB_S1]

The VTS/Gti might cost more upfront but I get about 4mpg more than my two mates that run VTR's.
Plus the VTS has much better brakes than the VTR.

try all three like I did and see if the difference is enough for you.

[raceboy]

KB_S1 said:

the VTS has much better brakes than the VTR. try all three like I did and see if the difference is enough for you.

Well it's for the Mrs, so one that looks like a VTS but has the power of a 1.1 food mixer but AP racing brakes and possibly some sort of anchor to assit the brakes would be the safest bet, but I don't think I'll get any with that she's picked up far to many bad habbits off me it's scary when she comes home with tails of drifting the Clio on the way home from work, it's a 1.4 FWD nail, it's not s'posed to drift

[Mr E]

I think I like her already,.....

[T88CAN]

If it`s 2000 on a V plate i.e the face lift version it will have the 98BHP engine in it, the same as my daughters, goes and handles well with a bit of street cred, but not a patch on the Mrs`s Fiesta Zetec S IMHO
Tony

[raceboy]

T88CAN said:

If it`s 2000 on a V plate i.e the face lift version

My mistake, it's a 1999 V plate, not quite face lift, but I think I prefer the older style headlights
Anyone know if the trim down the side of the door glass, the bit that looks like black electrical tape is easy to replace, it was looking a little tatty.

[sjg]

raceboy said:

T88CAN said: If it`s 2000 on a V plate i.e the face lift version My mistake, it's a 1999 V plate, not quite face lift, but I think I prefer the older style headlights Anyone know if the trim down the side of the door glass, the bit that looks like black electrical tape is easy to replace, it was looking a little tatty.

Between the front and rear side windows (to make it look like one piece, if you squint really hard)?

They apparently cost very little from a dealer, but fitting new ones is a bit of hassle to do properly, as it curves round under the window seals. Lots of people just take them off with a hairdryer, some patience and some thinners to get rid of the excess glue.

[dieseljohn]

Post facelift VTR has 98 bhp rather than 90. VTR also has longer gears than VTS so more comfortable on the motorway. No question the VTS is a much faster car though.

I loved my VTR, current car is vastly superior but I have to admit the Saxo was more fun around the backroads.

[raceboy]

sjg said:

They apparently cost very little from a dealer.

Well £15 a side so it looks like the white spirit would be coming out, or a big roll of electrical tape
Popped in the local Main Stealer and they wanted £470 for a Cambelt change unfortunatly my usual spanner man couldn't attempt it due to the need for a Citroen special tool, but the 1st local specialist I called wanted £100 to do it and the tensioner just were does the extra £370 go at the main agent

[saxo-stew]

Mr E said:

A 106 GTi in all but name (and a slightly longer box so it can do 60 in 2nd and therefore post a better 0-60 for bragging rights).

sorry, thats incorrect. they have the same engine and gear ratios. the tests were done under different conditions(two people, more fuel, the paper figures says the VTS is faster and thats why it got a 14 instead of 13 insurance grouping).