"Letting" other people win.
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This is not in my vocabulary, as any of you who have met me will understand.
So tell me why some of you guys "let" other drivers/riders beat you? If I don't win, I take it personal. I *must* win or I feel lessened. So I am always up for a scrap, for a race. No matter how trivial. Speed matters, as one Hornet owner found out this weekend. Second place is first loser.
Am I the only one? why do I feel like people who give up are total losers?????????!
See you at the lights.
Carl.
So tell me why some of you guys "let" other drivers/riders beat you? If I don't win, I take it personal. I *must* win or I feel lessened. So I am always up for a scrap, for a race. No matter how trivial. Speed matters, as one Hornet owner found out this weekend. Second place is first loser.
Am I the only one? why do I feel like people who give up are total losers?????????!
See you at the lights.
Carl.
If they 'win' it's cos they've got a faster car than me or they're not bothering, simple as that.
I don't race people... I just like to get away quick and get all the muppets behind me... is if there's a bloke in a nice car taking it easy amongst the flotsam of motoring effluent, well that's his choice...
whatever - it's all the same to me.. I'm already looking for a way past the next numpty, MPV, van, lorry, shed-puller or turdo-diseasal shitewagon..
I like that..
how about "A compromise is merely defeat you're obliged to smile about"...
>> Edited by CarZee on Monday 7th October 21:41
I don't race people... I just like to get away quick and get all the muppets behind me... is if there's a bloke in a nice car taking it easy amongst the flotsam of motoring effluent, well that's his choice...
whatever - it's all the same to me.. I'm already looking for a way past the next numpty, MPV, van, lorry, shed-puller or turdo-diseasal shitewagon..
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Second place is first loser.
I like that.. how about "A compromise is merely defeat you're obliged to smile about"...
>> Edited by CarZee on Monday 7th October 21:41
I like a good race but most of the time self preservation kicks in (and cant afford to loose my licence) it can go too far , the person you are racing maybe quick on the strights but crap through the bends and could end up leading to somthing nasty , but then again why do these muppets bait people into racing ???
Carl,
Just how far do you take this 'game'?
Until someone gets killed? Cleverer people than you have died doing this – it's just not worth going that extra bit to 'win'
Who cares? Sure, we all might to get away from the lights quicker than the next guy from time to time but you are advocating racing on the road and if you kill a relative/friend of mine when racing some tosser, you deserve a long time behind bars.
If you're taking it personally when you get beat you've got a problem. Get it looked at.
You wanna grow up like mungo
Just how far do you take this 'game'?
Until someone gets killed? Cleverer people than you have died doing this – it's just not worth going that extra bit to 'win'
Who cares? Sure, we all might to get away from the lights quicker than the next guy from time to time but you are advocating racing on the road and if you kill a relative/friend of mine when racing some tosser, you deserve a long time behind bars.
If you're taking it personally when you get beat you've got a problem. Get it looked at.
You wanna grow up like mungo
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Carl,
Just how far do you take this 'game'?
Until someone gets killed? Cleverer people than you have died doing this – it's just not worth going that extra bit to 'win'
Who cares? Sure, we all might to get away from the lights quicker than the next guy from time to time but you are advocating racing on the road and if you kill a relative/friend of mine when racing some tosser, you deserve a long time behind bars.
If you're taking it personally when you get beat you've got a problem. Get it looked at.
You wanna grow up like mungo
Well someone has got their b*tch knickers on tonight
I drive fast because thats the way I drive - no matter what I'm in. At the moment I am mostly driving a 1.2 Corsa, and flaying the nuts off it. I pisses me off no end that I can come up behind someone who is quite obviously going way slower than me, but they speed up just enough to make it impossible to get past.
Similar thing the other week when I was in the TVR, some plank in a BM decided his ego would not allow me to pass when he had two colleagues in the car. A few years ago I would have passed him whatever, wherever, but not now; I just hung back, watched him make an arse of himself, then went round the outside of him on a roundabout when the opportunity arose to do so quickly and safely. Boy racers - let 'em go, not worth the effort.
8 points and a two year old son seem to have mellowed me a little!
Similar thing the other week when I was in the TVR, some plank in a BM decided his ego would not allow me to pass when he had two colleagues in the car. A few years ago I would have passed him whatever, wherever, but not now; I just hung back, watched him make an arse of himself, then went round the outside of him on a roundabout when the opportunity arose to do so quickly and safely. Boy racers - let 'em go, not worth the effort.
8 points and a two year old son seem to have mellowed me a little!
At the lights, "accidentally" in the wrong lane, I find the best solution is to stare at the guy in the correct lane, so that he (dosen't work with women on the whole!) feels challenged & decides, no way he's going to let you 'win'.
So he burns away on amber, while the person in place no. 2 is still in neutral. You (I!) then just, nice and easy, take second place and cruise away having gone past a line of thirty other cars. The "winner" has the heart attack and I get where I'm going much faster than if I'd gone for the sociable option of picking the correct lane.
So who's the winner there?
So he burns away on amber, while the person in place no. 2 is still in neutral. You (I!) then just, nice and easy, take second place and cruise away having gone past a line of thirty other cars. The "winner" has the heart attack and I get where I'm going much faster than if I'd gone for the sociable option of picking the correct lane.
So who's the winner there?
Fantastic plan JohnL
Must remember that in the future. Do you think people could even be goaded into racing a 1.3 skoda!!
On the subject of racing I must admit I never race folk off the lights but thats only cos I know for a fact I have the slowest car in the world and would only make myself look like a knob.
When I do finally get a motorbike I doubt I will be doing much in the way of traffic light Grand Prixs as I have my heart set on a honda RVF400. Which aint very quick off the line due to having quite a tall first gear and only being a 400 machine. Most other bikes will be quicker off the line so I'll just have to get good at going round corners.
Andy
Must remember that in the future. Do you think people could even be goaded into racing a 1.3 skoda!!
On the subject of racing I must admit I never race folk off the lights but thats only cos I know for a fact I have the slowest car in the world and would only make myself look like a knob.
When I do finally get a motorbike I doubt I will be doing much in the way of traffic light Grand Prixs as I have my heart set on a honda RVF400. Which aint very quick off the line due to having quite a tall first gear and only being a 400 machine. Most other bikes will be quicker off the line so I'll just have to get good at going round corners.
Andy
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Carl,
Just how far do you take this 'game'?
Until someone gets killed? Cleverer people than you have died doing this – it's just not worth going that extra bit to 'win'
Who cares? Sure, we all might to get away from the lights quicker than the next guy from time to time but you are advocating racing on the road and if you kill a relative/friend of mine when racing some tosser, you deserve a long time behind bars.
If you're taking it personally when you get beat you've got a problem. Get it looked at.
You wanna grow up like mungo
Well someone has got their b*tch knickers on tonight
Think I've got it sussed!
Lanbo2man's Dad?
Carl, I hear what your saying but if you weren't such a regular and people didn't have a bit of an understanding about you, you would have been condemed as an irresponsible tosser for that post. Having said that I understand what you mean and while trying to not sound patronising you really do need to do something about it or end up in a box. I can't give you a lecture because I've behaved in exactly the same way, all I can tell you is what happened to me.
I've ridden bikes since I was 15 doing motocross, progressed through FS1E's/125/250/600 etc etc before the first of the real modern sports bikes started appearing each time I had the newest fastest most radical I could afford untill at 23 I was riding 750 superbikes making 110bhp+ and capable of 170+. I had always been the same and riden the socks off anything I had, believed I was king of the road, that nobody could beat me, and if they tried I'd never back off.
I even took it personally if "the bike" beat me and had been able to go faster than I had made it !!! It was at this point that the realisation dawned (well after I parked in the back of a Laguna actually) that I was quick, my bike was quicker, but the roads were shite and populated by tossers. I was very lucky in that I was given a break into racing by somebody who knew how I could ride and was prepared to gamble that I could do it on the track. My first race was on one of the very first 916's in the country, at a level far higher than I should have been riding (I had to qualify and was the only "orange bib" on the grid) We actually broke down after 5 hours and didn't finish so it's not that great a story. However I was bitten by the bug and went on to do 6 years racing at a pretty high level and did fairly well (I was never going to cut it Internationally though) My road riding got less and less and I actually spent a few years without a road bike, when I did ride on the road I found I had nothing left to prove, I knew how fast both myself and the bike could go before we crashed, I knew and had come to terms with what it was like to be "the first loser". But most importantly I developed a "superiority complex" to others on the road because I was self confident enough to KNOW that if it really mattered I could beat them, this leads to a greater tendancy to just let people go because you know that if you had to you could, but you don't need to prove it to yourself.
Now days I'm perfectly happy to poodle about at the speed limits and infact spent all day Sunday on a DR400 with R1's and the ilke coming past in all directions, did it bother me?, did it bollox. Go for it lads and good luck.
When people say to you "grow up" it's because they're either not articulate enough to justify it or really don't understand about the mist that comes down when you put a helmet on. All I can advise it get on a circuit, prove yourself to yourself so your happy then there's nothing more to do, that way you'll be able to enjoy your riding and we won't have to have another bloody thread collecting for a charity in your memory.
Oh yes I hope this hasn't come across as patronising or supersidious, it's not meant to and is really only my experience on how I dealt with similar feelings.
I've ridden bikes since I was 15 doing motocross, progressed through FS1E's/125/250/600 etc etc before the first of the real modern sports bikes started appearing each time I had the newest fastest most radical I could afford untill at 23 I was riding 750 superbikes making 110bhp+ and capable of 170+. I had always been the same and riden the socks off anything I had, believed I was king of the road, that nobody could beat me, and if they tried I'd never back off.
I even took it personally if "the bike" beat me and had been able to go faster than I had made it !!! It was at this point that the realisation dawned (well after I parked in the back of a Laguna actually) that I was quick, my bike was quicker, but the roads were shite and populated by tossers. I was very lucky in that I was given a break into racing by somebody who knew how I could ride and was prepared to gamble that I could do it on the track. My first race was on one of the very first 916's in the country, at a level far higher than I should have been riding (I had to qualify and was the only "orange bib" on the grid) We actually broke down after 5 hours and didn't finish so it's not that great a story. However I was bitten by the bug and went on to do 6 years racing at a pretty high level and did fairly well (I was never going to cut it Internationally though) My road riding got less and less and I actually spent a few years without a road bike, when I did ride on the road I found I had nothing left to prove, I knew how fast both myself and the bike could go before we crashed, I knew and had come to terms with what it was like to be "the first loser". But most importantly I developed a "superiority complex" to others on the road because I was self confident enough to KNOW that if it really mattered I could beat them, this leads to a greater tendancy to just let people go because you know that if you had to you could, but you don't need to prove it to yourself.
Now days I'm perfectly happy to poodle about at the speed limits and infact spent all day Sunday on a DR400 with R1's and the ilke coming past in all directions, did it bother me?, did it bollox. Go for it lads and good luck.
When people say to you "grow up" it's because they're either not articulate enough to justify it or really don't understand about the mist that comes down when you put a helmet on. All I can advise it get on a circuit, prove yourself to yourself so your happy then there's nothing more to do, that way you'll be able to enjoy your riding and we won't have to have another bloody thread collecting for a charity in your memory.
Oh yes I hope this hasn't come across as patronising or supersidious, it's not meant to and is really only my experience on how I dealt with similar feelings.
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Carl,
Just how far do you take this 'game'?
Until someone gets killed? Cleverer people than you have died doing this – it's just not worth going that extra bit to 'win'
Who cares? Sure, we all might to get away from the lights quicker than the next guy from time to time but you are advocating racing on the road and if you kill a relative/friend of mine when racing some tosser, you deserve a long time behind bars.
If you're taking it personally when you get beat you've got a problem. Get it looked at.
You wanna grow up like mungo
Why do I get the impression we have another resident troll? (clue - check all his posts...)
>> Edited by neil_cardiff on Tuesday 8th October 09:48
I used to have that race mentality at 18, but that seems a lifetime away now at 27. I do drive fast wherever I go but I don't bother racing. Sometimes when I'm cruising at just under a ton on the motorway you find people react a little. Some seem to think you want a race, but I ignore them by pulling over to let them pass. They soon get the idea it's beneath me and settle down to their slower pace. Anything over the magic ton is just asking for a ban. What's to prove anyway? Most people know the irrelavant top end of the performance marques anyway.
The point I was making, is that we all like performance machines, but if you think that you have "let" Nova Boy win because you "have nothing to prove"... it infact means that HE HAS WON, *not* that he has a better car. Do you like this situation?
And in the end, what is the point in having exotic vehicles if you are not going to use them? anything less is a waste. Waste of time, waste of YOUR money. Also just a way of annoying other people who can't afford such vehicles. Totally winds me up to see fast cars going slow.
My comment stands. I do not let anyone win unless their car has blue lights on it. Suddenly I am the most cautious rider in the world.
However, (respect to Mel) I do realise that I need to slow down a bit. Think I covered this about a year ago.. and yes, I will bail out of a race if it gets past a certain limit. Eg, NSL = fair game, but round town = game over.
Chill out folks, I'm not a total loony !
Keep it shiney side up.
C
And in the end, what is the point in having exotic vehicles if you are not going to use them? anything less is a waste. Waste of time, waste of YOUR money. Also just a way of annoying other people who can't afford such vehicles. Totally winds me up to see fast cars going slow.
My comment stands. I do not let anyone win unless their car has blue lights on it. Suddenly I am the most cautious rider in the world.
However, (respect to Mel) I do realise that I need to slow down a bit. Think I covered this about a year ago.. and yes, I will bail out of a race if it gets past a certain limit. Eg, NSL = fair game, but round town = game over.
Chill out folks, I'm not a total loony !
Keep it shiney side up.
C
quote:I don't think he's a troll, just a bloke who lost his sense of fun a while back..
Why do I get the impression we have another resident troll? (clue - check all his posts...)
Mike, please just cheer the fcuk up and take what's said with a pinch of salt if you don't like it, mate. Mkay?
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quote:I don't think he's a troll, just a bloke who lost his sense of fun a while back..
Why do I get the impression we have another resident troll? (clue - check all his posts...)
Mike, please just cheer the fcuk up and take what's said with a pinch of salt if you don't like it, mate. Mkay?
Ditto - Theres much love in these 'rooms'. Feel the love.
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The point I was making, is that we all like performance machines, but if you think that you have "let" Nova Boy win because you "have nothing to prove"... it infact means that HE HAS WON, *not* that he has a better car. Do you like this situation?
i kinda disagreee with this. i wouldnt race a nova boy because i know to what lengths they would go to beat you and if it means driving into the side of you they would probably do it. on another angle, they are usually found in groups and i wouldnt want to be in the situation where i have a few cars packed with psycho 17 year olds following me just because i beat them.
they take races just as seriously and get a major chip on their shoulder if they see a sports car ket alone race one. a frined and I were in his westfield and we were following a nova just for fun, the westfield has a loud xflow so we just sat behind them, they were throwing all sorts of crap out of the window and it wasnt a nice experience, possibly made worse by the aeroscreens and helmets we were wearing.
i always say to them, "come to a racetrack and then i will race you" but obviously sadly (strangely!?) no one has ever taken me up on the offer, i am not the best driver in the world by any stretch of the imagination, i would just like to whip their little asses in a proper environment.
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