Govermental speed limiters getting closer.....
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From The Times today (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1678707,00.html):
Forget cameras - spy device will cut drivers’ speed by satellite
Dipesh Gadher, Transport Correspondent
IT IS the ultimate back seat driver. Motorists face having their cars fitted with a “spy” device that stops speeding.
The satellite-based system will monitor the speed limit and apply the brakes or cut out the accelerator if the driver tries to exceed it. A government-funded trial has concluded that the scheme promotes safer driving.
Drivers in London could be among the first to have the “speed spy” devices fitted. They would be offered a discount on the congestion charge if they use the system.
The move follows a six-month trial in Leeds using 20 modified Skoda Fabias, which found that volunteer drivers paid more attention as well keeping to the speed limit. More than 1,000 lives a year could be saved if the system was fitted to all Britain’s cars, say academics at Leeds University, who ran the trial on behalf of the Department for Transport (DfT).
It is part of a two-year research project into “intelligent speed adaptation” (ISA), which the department is funding at a cost of £2m. Results of the initial trial will be presented to ministers this week.
A study commissioned by London’s transport planners has recommended that motorists who install it should be rewarded with a discount on the congestion charge, which tomorrow rises to £8 a day.
The trial Skodas were fitted with a black box containing a digital map identifying the speed limits of every stretch of road in Leeds. A satellite positioning system tracked the cars’ locations.
The device compared the car’s speed with the local limit — displayed on the dashboard — and sent a signal to the accelerator or brake pedal to slow if it was too fast. The system can be overridden to avoid a hazard.
“The trials have been incredibly successful,” said Oliver Carsten, project leader and professor of transport safety at Leeds University.
The DfT says it has no plans to make speed limiters mandatory but admits that it is considering creating a digital map of all Britain’s roads which would pave the way for a national ISA system.
Edmund King, of the RAC Foundation, said limiters might make motorists less alert: “If you take too much control away the driver could switch on to autopilot.”
Forget cameras - spy device will cut drivers’ speed by satellite
Dipesh Gadher, Transport Correspondent
IT IS the ultimate back seat driver. Motorists face having their cars fitted with a “spy” device that stops speeding.
The satellite-based system will monitor the speed limit and apply the brakes or cut out the accelerator if the driver tries to exceed it. A government-funded trial has concluded that the scheme promotes safer driving.
Drivers in London could be among the first to have the “speed spy” devices fitted. They would be offered a discount on the congestion charge if they use the system.
The move follows a six-month trial in Leeds using 20 modified Skoda Fabias, which found that volunteer drivers paid more attention as well keeping to the speed limit. More than 1,000 lives a year could be saved if the system was fitted to all Britain’s cars, say academics at Leeds University, who ran the trial on behalf of the Department for Transport (DfT).
It is part of a two-year research project into “intelligent speed adaptation” (ISA), which the department is funding at a cost of £2m. Results of the initial trial will be presented to ministers this week.
A study commissioned by London’s transport planners has recommended that motorists who install it should be rewarded with a discount on the congestion charge, which tomorrow rises to £8 a day.
The trial Skodas were fitted with a black box containing a digital map identifying the speed limits of every stretch of road in Leeds. A satellite positioning system tracked the cars’ locations.
The device compared the car’s speed with the local limit — displayed on the dashboard — and sent a signal to the accelerator or brake pedal to slow if it was too fast. The system can be overridden to avoid a hazard.
“The trials have been incredibly successful,” said Oliver Carsten, project leader and professor of transport safety at Leeds University.
The DfT says it has no plans to make speed limiters mandatory but admits that it is considering creating a digital map of all Britain’s roads which would pave the way for a national ISA system.
Edmund King, of the RAC Foundation, said limiters might make motorists less alert: “If you take too much control away the driver could switch on to autopilot.”
If they are soo keen to introduce this why has the government never insisted that all cars be limited to 70mph?
I don't get it. If speed kills then surely the faster you go the more danger you and others are in so the first thing you should do is not allow cars to travel any faster then they ever should do in the UK???
If you work by their 'assumptions' that is....
I don't get it. If speed kills then surely the faster you go the more danger you and others are in so the first thing you should do is not allow cars to travel any faster then they ever should do in the UK???
If you work by their 'assumptions' that is....
FourWheelDrift said:
What about track days?
They really don't think these things out.
Yes they do. You will still be perfectly free to take your car on a track (subject to getting a permit from the government to drive on private land, £100 to cover administrative costs), just so long as you don't make more than 20 dB of noise or emit any exaust gases. Of course there won't be any tracks left at that point anyway.
pss1 said:
Maybe wise in considering buying an horse.
... oh, and a little man to walk in front with red flag. This bunch would procrastinate, administrate, legislate and tax the damn horse st too.
I think there is a tax on horse s
t now www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/158/158015_stealth_tax_on_horse_manure.html
scared but happy said:
rolex said:
Maybe wise in considering buying an horse.
... oh, and a little man to walk in front with red flag. This bunch would procrastinate, administrate, legislate and tax the damn horse s
I think there is a tax on horse s
www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/158/158015_stealth_tax_on_horse_manure.html
God Almighty! What the bloody hell's going on around here? It literally is 'a load of old s
t'GingerNinja said:This is not a new story, these Skodas have been kicking around on trial for a long time now and have been featured on many media programmes.
“The trials have been incredibly successful,” said Oliver Carsten, project leader and professor of transport safety at Leeds University.
The general consensus has been that they are bloody stupid and dangerous, this has been the findings of the drivers and some of the groups that have trialled the cars. So I havent got a clue what Carsten is on about with the above quote. Unless he is referring to the technology working properly, and not the road safety aspects.
Automatic speed restricted cars have been tried time and time again since the mid fifties. Each time the conclusion has been that they would probably, on balance, cause more accidents than they save.
Non story!
Fitting limiters to trucks is (imo) also dangerous, that didn't stop them. I suspect that the only thing that stops this sort of nonesense is the fear of political backlash. And you can address that gradually, by repeatedly putting out reports that show 'carnage' on the roads caused by speeding followed by carefully planted responses that 'somebody' should do 'something' about it, then label all the objectors as antisocial reckless drivers. Follow this up by announcements that you're going to introduce draconian measures a few years ahead, and eventually people will get desensitised to it and start to think it is only a matter of time, rather than seeing it as an outrageous attack on our liberty with no scientific justification.
Professor Oliver Carsten is target number 5. If I ever get elected he will be in camp so fast his feet won't touch. I have no idea why we put up with this communist preaching his ill thought out shite at us but thankfully the Gps is easily defeated with a little lead around the ariel. Personally I would rather put it in a sock and use it on the idiots.
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Fitting limiters to trucks is (imo) also dangerous, that didn't stop them. I suspect that the only thing that stops this sort of nonesense is the fear of political backlash. And you can address that gradually, by repeatedly putting out reports that show 'carnage' on the roads caused by speeding followed by carefully planted responses that 'somebody' should do 'something' about it, then label all the objectors as antisocial reckless drivers. Follow this up by announcements that you're going to introduce draconian measures a few years ahead, and eventually people will get desensitised to it and start to think it is only a matter of time, rather than seeing it as an outrageous attack on our liberty with no scientific justification.
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Totally Agree.
I can say now. If they force me to put one in my car no matter how intelligent they deisng it I will not only make a device to disable it (I work as a electronic, software systems development engineer so have the skills and resources) but I will also start a open source/design project that freely distributes all the plans for such a device.... I have no doubt that there will be others like myself willing to contribute. I am seriously getting pissed off with this country and the paper pushers who only seem to know how to piss the working masses off! Its supposed to be the people who elect a goverment to speak for the people not an elite few who just decide anything they want that suits them!
Are we going to have a vote on this?
>> Edited by polus on Sunday 3rd July 17:54
Fitting limiters to trucks is (imo) also dangerous, that didn't stop them. I suspect that the only thing that stops this sort of nonesense is the fear of political backlash. And you can address that gradually, by repeatedly putting out reports that show 'carnage' on the roads caused by speeding followed by carefully planted responses that 'somebody' should do 'something' about it, then label all the objectors as antisocial reckless drivers. Follow this up by announcements that you're going to introduce draconian measures a few years ahead, and eventually people will get desensitised to it and start to think it is only a matter of time, rather than seeing it as an outrageous attack on our liberty with no scientific justification.
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Totally Agree.
I can say now. If they force me to put one in my car no matter how intelligent they deisng it I will not only make a device to disable it (I work as a electronic, software systems development engineer so have the skills and resources) but I will also start a open source/design project that freely distributes all the plans for such a device.... I have no doubt that there will be others like myself willing to contribute. I am seriously getting pissed off with this country and the paper pushers who only seem to know how to piss the working masses off! Its supposed to be the people who elect a goverment to speak for the people not an elite few who just decide anything they want that suits them!
Are we going to have a vote on this?
>> Edited by polus on Sunday 3rd July 17:54
parrot of doom said:Exactly - think of how much safer it would be if no-one overtook. If its a busy motorway what do you expect to gain by overtaking anyway?
So, if all cars were speed limited, how on earth would you ever manage to change lanes on a busy motorway, since traffic would be nose to tail?
Actually I think this would be a great idea. No really. First time there's a pile up on the M6 the government will be entirely responsible.
Oh, now I see the flaw. They are not responsible for anything are they? Teflon Tony and his massiv.
I just can't see any Government appointed IT contract producing anything like results on this - imagine how complex the system would be? They can't even get simple stuff like pensions right, and they don't move very fast.
nonegreen said:
I have no idea why we put up with this communist preaching his ill thought out shite at us.
Rather enter into my normal rant about calling anyone they disagree with on PH some sort of politcal name (usually lefty/socialist/commie, but also nazi etc), I thought I'd have a look at Prof Carsten on the web.
1 I disagree totally with his findings but
2 His stuff is not ill-thought out, it's well argued etc but based on pre-suppositions about speed that are debatable.
3 I can find no evidence of his being a commie, generally I suspect him of being a liberal (with a small "L"
He does stuff with MIT and yanks aren't keen on anything vaguely the red side of pink and are very nervous of pink Prof Beard
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