Respect is due...
Discussion
Mmmm. Nice light blue Furry today, near Rettendon.
You did nifty undertake of numpty, I giggled at exhaust sound and followed - I held back 'cos I hoped you'd go my direction & waved at you when you moved over to let me past.
I was exceedingly impressed with the power of the beastie, and you were laughing and waving as we went past.
Cool. Respect is due. Salute.
Now why can't other road users have this much fun???
Carl
You did nifty undertake of numpty, I giggled at exhaust sound and followed - I held back 'cos I hoped you'd go my direction & waved at you when you moved over to let me past.
I was exceedingly impressed with the power of the beastie, and you were laughing and waving as we went past.
Cool. Respect is due. Salute.
Now why can't other road users have this much fun???
Carl
chibbard said: Mr Hertsbiker. Just wondering if you went to the charity run for the essex air ambulance yesterday. It was good being one of approx 2600 other bikes riding from Chelmsford to Clacton. (I was wondering who was riding a green Kawasaki who went past on the back wheel) respect.
I can't believe that you would want to give respect to a w
r that drove at high speed on the rear wheel only whilst passing another vehicle unless it was on a race circuit. Respect Bx. He should be locked up for a long time. 'ere Madcop, it wasn't me!
I never do deliberate wheelies as it is too hard landing smoothly. In the hands of a skilled rider they are very safe, the laws of physics keep the machine going in a straight line, it is only the laws of the road that don't approve.
I have seen countless public wheelies, and *I am* impressed. They are big, they are clever. Even if you don't think so - almost everyone else does. But then you may consider that I ride a touch too fast as well?
Each to their own, regardless of the law, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else - what's the problem? Must be more important things to worry about in the world, we can't be nanny'd all the time or life would get boring. Oh, too late !
C
I never do deliberate wheelies as it is too hard landing smoothly. In the hands of a skilled rider they are very safe, the laws of physics keep the machine going in a straight line, it is only the laws of the road that don't approve.
I have seen countless public wheelies, and *I am* impressed. They are big, they are clever. Even if you don't think so - almost everyone else does. But then you may consider that I ride a touch too fast as well?
Each to their own, regardless of the law, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else - what's the problem? Must be more important things to worry about in the world, we can't be nanny'd all the time or life would get boring. Oh, too late !
C
: I saw a guy on a trials bike do a wheelie all the way up Marlow Hill out of High Wyconbe a few months back - he was going quite quick and there was no traffic on his side (I was queueing down the hill). At the time I thought 'respect' and 'pillock' at the same time. On one hand it's dangerous and silly on a public road, on the other hand it was quite cool and I wish I could do it (OK, so I don't even have a bike license). I'm inclined to agree that a bit of naughtiness never hurt anyone ... we can't get too PC. He probably had valid tax and insurance ... not like half the cars on the road.
BUT what law did Hertsbiker's chap brake other than undertaking? Bikers zoom in and out of the traffic all the time and I would say some are very reckless. This guy may be able to reproduce a well controlled wheelie all day long.
I guess he'd be done for reckless driving/driving without due care and attention ... and the Policeman's word would be taken as gospel even if the biker was Evil Kenevil (sp?).
T/.
BUT what law did Hertsbiker's chap brake other than undertaking? Bikers zoom in and out of the traffic all the time and I would say some are very reckless. This guy may be able to reproduce a well controlled wheelie all day long.
I guess he'd be done for reckless driving/driving without due care and attention ... and the Policeman's word would be taken as gospel even if the biker was Evil Kenevil (sp?).
T/.
Madcop, I have to say this time I think you may have been a bit OTT. Locking someone up for a long time just for doing a wheelie? Jesus - I've wheelied past cars on a pushbike in the past - are you going to lock me up for that? Come on... I respect you and all, but that kind of attitude doesn't earn the Police much respect, when thieves/muggers/rapists seem to get sentences which are anything but "a long time".
oh come on!! 'controlled wheelies'?? those who dont ride bikes can't comment here, and those who do honestly know that when you're on your back wheel you are SO much less stable and so much more vulnerable to gusts of wind etc.....
Not saying they're a bad thing, but defending them on a road is a little tricky....Rothwell dropped his at the Bulldog Bash last year and he is a GOD....
Not saying they're a bad thing, but defending them on a road is a little tricky....Rothwell dropped his at the Bulldog Bash last year and he is a GOD....
Failing to maintain proper control would be a good one to start, Dangerous driving would be the next charge on his account.
I suppose you would have respect then for the Max power lot because they can donut and handbrake turn (quite impressive I agree) but not on the roads. I read continual condemnation from everyone on here about wrs on the road, numpties etc. Is it any wonder, really, that drivers can't be trusted with more discretion when this type of behaviour occurs. Keep the tricks to the tracks. You wonder why there are so many rules governing drivers when this sort of immature unimpressive behaviour demands 'respect'. I think not!
If motorcycles were designed to travel on one wheel, they would only have one wheel.
If you do a wheelie on a bicycle, you are hardly likely to have the same effect if it goes wrong as you are travelling at 60mph plus on a large CC motorcycle.
If you want a good example of dangerous driving, this is it!
I suppose you would have respect then for the Max power lot because they can donut and handbrake turn (quite impressive I agree) but not on the roads. I read continual condemnation from everyone on here about w
rs on the road, numpties etc. Is it any wonder, really, that drivers can't be trusted with more discretion when this type of behaviour occurs. Keep the tricks to the tracks. You wonder why there are so many rules governing drivers when this sort of immature unimpressive behaviour demands 'respect'. I think not! If motorcycles were designed to travel on one wheel, they would only have one wheel.
If you do a wheelie on a bicycle, you are hardly likely to have the same effect if it goes wrong as you are travelling at 60mph plus on a large CC motorcycle.
If you want a good example of dangerous driving, this is it!
I've posted this before:
Two lads i used to know were pulling wheelies outside a pub oop north earlier in my life, one in front of the other - several times - very impressivly 200/300yds etc until one of them bottled it, put the front wheel down and turned into traffic to try again, the guy behind couldn't see that his mate had stopped.
Two bodies contain a hell of a lot of blood.
Two lads i used to know were pulling wheelies outside a pub oop north earlier in my life, one in front of the other - several times - very impressivly 200/300yds etc until one of them bottled it, put the front wheel down and turned into traffic to try again, the guy behind couldn't see that his mate had stopped.
Two bodies contain a hell of a lot of blood.
I'm with madcop on this one. Why not go and find a quiet disused airfield to play wheelies? That would satisfy the biker who is out to have some fun. Of course it doesn't satisfy the biker who just wants the admiration of other road users. But then road laws, the highway code and general rules of conduct whatever they might be weren't designed for self-admiration.
angusfaldo said: I'm with madcop on this one. Why not go and find a quiet disused airfield to play wheelies? That would satisfy the biker who is out to have some fun. Of course it doesn't satisfy the biker who just wants the admiration of other road users. But then road laws, the highway code and general rules of conduct whatever they might be weren't designed for self-admiration.
& are we to take it that you never "bend" the road laws yourself then?
Glass houses etc.
I think I've got a video of a manouevre just like that somewhere - I'll dig it out to show you just what happens!
Scruff400 said: I've posted this before:
Two lads i used to know were pulling wheelies outside a pub oop north earlier in my life, one in front of the other - several times - very impressivly 200/300yds etc until one of them bottled it, put the front wheel down and turned into traffic to try again, the guy behind couldn't see that his mate had stopped.
Two bodies contain a hell of a lot of blood.
My query isn't with whether or not pulling wheelies on the public highway is good practice, but whether or not such actions warrant a long jail sentence. Surely we don't want to fill our crowded slammers with people who've pulled wheelies. Maybe we do. Maybe I'd misplaced the wheelie within the spectrum of criminal activity. Perhaps I should fear wheelie pullers more than the drunken louts I have to dodge everytime I walk home from work on a Friday, or the people who invite me to go out and fight them when I catch them tampering with neighbours cars. I don't know any more. 
I think I'll try and find out what impresses SGirl instead.
I think I'll try and find out what impresses SGirl instead.I normally think that madcops views are reasoned, well thought out and honed by years of seeing it, but this time I'm afraid not.
I grew up as a BMX child and could wheelie for britain, as I got older I learnt how to ride motocross and wheelie through the gears then as I progressed onto the road and through an FS1E right up to todays latest superbikes it was a natural progression to have the ability to feel comfortable and at ease with a bike moving about or not with both wheels in contact with the road. I raced at circuits like Cadwell Park, Oulton Park and IOM all of which mean that you will spend a fair bit of time on the back wheel while still crouched and hard on the throttle, you back off you lose. I've also been known to pull off full on back straight standing up through the gears mingers on warm down laps, rolling burn outs and doenuts and been bollocked by the Clerk of the Course for it, but that is all part of the spectical of motorsport and the bollocking are always tounge in cheek we know the score and have to be seen to be doing it type affairs.
Now what that is saying it that I know that I have the skill to wheelie, I know what it should feels like, and I know the feeling of it flipping and how to get round it. If any jumped up Traffic cop who couldn't even ride a bike tried telling me what was and what wasn't under control or dangerous I would have a serious problem with it. He would have no ability to assess the real danger only the perceived danger he chooses to see and then where does that end ? Is it dangerous to have grazed knee sliders as well ? and how do you differentiate between a normal power wheelie coming out of a bend and a full blown through the gears minger in the eyes of the law when the officer is not qualified or experienced enough with bikes to know the difference ??? Now I have no doubt whatsoever that most Traffic cops are very competant in propelling a T5 safely at break neck speeds through traffic and I wouldn't slant those skills or abilities at all because I'm not qualified to do so and therefore bow to their greater experience, what I expect is the same courtesy and respect to be returned.
Now having said all that it's confession time. I've wheelied past lines of traffic in the past, including convoys of TVR's going to LM, I've done the past the local Little Thief on the back wheel on a sunday morning, and I've been banned from Le Shuttle for wheelieing down the inside of the train. This was all in the past and was part of the evolution of growing older and a large degree of showing off, I know that some of these acts were dangerous but they were dangerous almost exclusively to me and me alone so whats the big deal ? Why wish to send me to jail for endangering myself when many many other types of crime that massively endanger others go punished to a lesser degree ? In time those that commit the heinious crime of wheelieing will grow through it (hopefully) or some will have it knocked out of them literally. But Jail them ? surely not. Go ahead nick them if you catch them and fine them give them points treat them the same as any other dickhead that does silly things in the wrong place at the wrong time but don't put this in the same catagory as a third offence drink driver. Oh yes and trust me to pull off a full on 100mph back wheel minger takes skill and ability for that reason the original post was correct, respect is due.
Disclaimer I have not pulled off any full on monster wheelies on public roads for so long that It's past the statute of limitation period by now, only little tiny baby front wheel skippers honest guvnor.
I grew up as a BMX child and could wheelie for britain, as I got older I learnt how to ride motocross and wheelie through the gears then as I progressed onto the road and through an FS1E right up to todays latest superbikes it was a natural progression to have the ability to feel comfortable and at ease with a bike moving about or not with both wheels in contact with the road. I raced at circuits like Cadwell Park, Oulton Park and IOM all of which mean that you will spend a fair bit of time on the back wheel while still crouched and hard on the throttle, you back off you lose. I've also been known to pull off full on back straight standing up through the gears mingers on warm down laps, rolling burn outs and doenuts and been bollocked by the Clerk of the Course for it, but that is all part of the spectical of motorsport and the bollocking are always tounge in cheek we know the score and have to be seen to be doing it type affairs.
Now what that is saying it that I know that I have the skill to wheelie, I know what it should feels like, and I know the feeling of it flipping and how to get round it. If any jumped up Traffic cop who couldn't even ride a bike tried telling me what was and what wasn't under control or dangerous I would have a serious problem with it. He would have no ability to assess the real danger only the perceived danger he chooses to see and then where does that end ? Is it dangerous to have grazed knee sliders as well ? and how do you differentiate between a normal power wheelie coming out of a bend and a full blown through the gears minger in the eyes of the law when the officer is not qualified or experienced enough with bikes to know the difference ??? Now I have no doubt whatsoever that most Traffic cops are very competant in propelling a T5 safely at break neck speeds through traffic and I wouldn't slant those skills or abilities at all because I'm not qualified to do so and therefore bow to their greater experience, what I expect is the same courtesy and respect to be returned.
Now having said all that it's confession time. I've wheelied past lines of traffic in the past, including convoys of TVR's going to LM, I've done the past the local Little Thief on the back wheel on a sunday morning, and I've been banned from Le Shuttle for wheelieing down the inside of the train. This was all in the past and was part of the evolution of growing older and a large degree of showing off, I know that some of these acts were dangerous but they were dangerous almost exclusively to me and me alone so whats the big deal ? Why wish to send me to jail for endangering myself when many many other types of crime that massively endanger others go punished to a lesser degree ? In time those that commit the heinious crime of wheelieing will grow through it (hopefully) or some will have it knocked out of them literally. But Jail them ? surely not. Go ahead nick them if you catch them and fine them give them points treat them the same as any other dickhead that does silly things in the wrong place at the wrong time but don't put this in the same catagory as a third offence drink driver. Oh yes and trust me to pull off a full on 100mph back wheel minger takes skill and ability for that reason the original post was correct, respect is due.
Disclaimer I have not pulled off any full on monster wheelies on public roads for so long that It's past the statute of limitation period by now, only little tiny baby front wheel skippers honest guvnor.
mel said:
I grew up as a BMX child and could wheelie for britain, Blah blah, Cadwell Park, blah blah, hard on the throttle,blah, full on back straight standing up through the gears mingers on warm down laps, rolling burn outs and doenuts [sp!] blah blah, jumped up Traffic cop blah blah, power wheelie blah, full on 100mph back wheel minger.
Oi mel, factor in other road users' inspired interpretion of the rules of the road.
The only accident i've ever had was when I was 19 riding a CB900F2, approaching a little side road, I assumed a mini clubman estate was going to pull out, I moved over to the left (20 mph) and the fcuker stalled it. I went over the roof, but my knee didn't.
You might be barry sheen but: Never assume mate.
Edited to admit that I too could get it up and keep it up in all of them...
(CheapKnobGag!!)
>> Edited by scruff400 on Wednesday 16th October 10:51
Mel
However good a motorcyclist may be, does not take a great deal of brain power to realise that if he/she is up on the back wheel, concentrating on keeping it like that (balance/ power), how the hell can he react if something outside his control occurs, especially if he is in close proximity to other road users as the idiot who is the subject of this post was. As already stated, physics takes over and the machine travels in a straight line. Yes it does but with half the braking capacity and absolutely no option to steer and avoid anything that might interupt that straight path.
I do not wheelie. I have been on the back of someones bike that has, even more spectacular than doing it alone, but on an airfield with no one else around who is likely to be affected if it went wrong.
I can powerslide a car under full control at high speed. Very impressive to watch out of roundabouts or on high speed bends. I don't because there is always the possibility of a situation that I cannot account for. You only have to look at very experienced and proffessional rally drivers. Look at Robbie BURNS on his last expedition into the undergrowth. You cannot, however good you are get away with this sort of pushing to the limit driving for ever.
To do this on the road with the possibilty of involving someone else in your moment of 'look at me, how good am I' is unforgivable.
If you look at my original post on this I did not say that pulling a wheelie was not an impressive thing to be able to do. The post was aimed at the fact he did it on the road whilst passing other road users. Tr
Most of your examples state that they were on the track. I agree, impressive, but leave them at the track not on the road. Like I said before, riding and driving like that only serves to attract more and harsher legislation.
Again I say to you who spout about being allowed to take more personal responsibility in how you are allowed to use your machines in a public environment.
This sort of activity just pushes any hope of that even further away because it is irresponsible and secondly unecessary.
Just because you are an experienced motorcyclist and obviously a good one (with control of the machine at least), do not dismiss anyone who doesn't ride or hasn't ridden as a person who does not know what they are talking about.
I have gone to the aid of many who fall off while on two wheels, why for gods sake halve the odds and do it on one!
RESPECT, bx. The only time respect was touched on there was the riders lack of respect for everything except his own ego
>> Edited by madcop on Wednesday 16th October 11:24
However good a motorcyclist may be, does not take a great deal of brain power to realise that if he/she is up on the back wheel, concentrating on keeping it like that (balance/ power), how the hell can he react if something outside his control occurs, especially if he is in close proximity to other road users as the idiot who is the subject of this post was. As already stated, physics takes over and the machine travels in a straight line. Yes it does but with half the braking capacity and absolutely no option to steer and avoid anything that might interupt that straight path.
I do not wheelie. I have been on the back of someones bike that has, even more spectacular than doing it alone, but on an airfield with no one else around who is likely to be affected if it went wrong.
I can powerslide a car under full control at high speed. Very impressive to watch out of roundabouts or on high speed bends. I don't because there is always the possibility of a situation that I cannot account for. You only have to look at very experienced and proffessional rally drivers. Look at Robbie BURNS on his last expedition into the undergrowth. You cannot, however good you are get away with this sort of pushing to the limit driving for ever.
To do this on the road with the possibilty of involving someone else in your moment of 'look at me, how good am I' is unforgivable.
If you look at my original post on this I did not say that pulling a wheelie was not an impressive thing to be able to do. The post was aimed at the fact he did it on the road whilst passing other road users. T
r Most of your examples state that they were on the track. I agree, impressive, but leave them at the track not on the road. Like I said before, riding and driving like that only serves to attract more and harsher legislation.
Again I say to you who spout about being allowed to take more personal responsibility in how you are allowed to use your machines in a public environment.
This sort of activity just pushes any hope of that even further away because it is irresponsible and secondly unecessary.
Just because you are an experienced motorcyclist and obviously a good one (with control of the machine at least), do not dismiss anyone who doesn't ride or hasn't ridden as a person who does not know what they are talking about.
I have gone to the aid of many who fall off while on two wheels, why for gods sake halve the odds and do it on one!
RESPECT, b
x. The only time respect was touched on there was the riders lack of respect for everything except his own ego >> Edited by madcop on Wednesday 16th October 11:24
Venting time again...
madcop said:Like I said before, riding and driving like that only serves to attract more and harsher legislation.
MadCop, fair comment and all that, but reading that other post about a nationwide reduction of speed limits which is due to happen, it seems to me that all we need to do to attract harsher legislation is be motorists.
So I say enjoy your wheelies.. and try not to ksi anyone because our time is running out for having *any* fun at all anywhere thanks to these nanny fcukwits..
Being treated like bloody children by Billy Liar and his bunch of arse bandits makes me want to donut on his head never mind the friggin roads.. I promise you that there'll be road mayhem if it happens..
Respect for the rules of the road? pah.. come the watershed, they can shove it right up their arses..
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