Public Transport
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I 
hate public transport.
Due to being "between cars" at the moment, I had to take the bus home yesterday evening.
Having found the bus station (not too difficult) I then found a bus that went to Chelmsford town centre. Result. Hopped on... £3.50.. THREE POUND FIFTY! Jeez.
Bus pootled to Chelmsford, via Manchester. Got to Chelmsford. Had to wait for a bus to where I lived. Bus arrives... £1.30... :sigh:
It took TWO hours and £4.80 to do a 17 miles journey that normally takes 30 minutes at the most. Is it any wonder people don't bother with the bus?
hate public transport. Due to being "between cars" at the moment, I had to take the bus home yesterday evening.
Having found the bus station (not too difficult) I then found a bus that went to Chelmsford town centre. Result. Hopped on... £3.50.. THREE POUND FIFTY! Jeez.
Bus pootled to Chelmsford, via Manchester. Got to Chelmsford. Had to wait for a bus to where I lived. Bus arrives... £1.30... :sigh:
It took TWO hours and £4.80 to do a 17 miles journey that normally takes 30 minutes at the most. Is it any wonder people don't bother with the bus?
Took me 30mins and £1.50 to do what would normally be a 5-10min journey in the car the other night. And the walk from the nearest bus stop was further than the nearest free parking...
{edited to add:} would have been £1.50 each way, but the bus stops running after the rush hour is over! 
>> Edited by pdv6 on Thursday 21st November 08:58
{edited to add:} would have been £1.50 each way, but the
bus stops running after the rush hour is over! >> Edited by pdv6 on Thursday 21st November 08:58
Fully agree thay 99% of public transport is pants but the local bus service from, not to far from my current abode to the centre of Nottingham is excellent 
it takes the same route as I would take in the car so doesn't take much longer than it would by car, it goes every 1/2 hour and runs till 3am (which can be an experiance in it's self), and all for £2 return. But if I want to travel to work by bus it would involve at least 2 buses and a lengthly walk and take a lot longer than the 15 minutes it takes by car 
it takes the same route as I would take in the car so doesn't take much longer than it would by car, it goes every 1/2 hour and runs till 3am (which can be an experiance in it's self), and all for £2 return. But if I want to travel to work by bus it would involve at least 2 buses and a lengthly walk and take a lot longer than the 15 minutes it takes by car
superflid said: Now go back and do it in a wheelchair...........
Next tree hugger that tells me I should use my car less is going to lose the ability to breed. Twats.
Good point. It would have been fine on the first bus, as it had the step that lowers to meet the raised pavement, at both bus stations. Anywhere BETWEEN the two bus stations would have been an issue.
As for the second bus... there is NO WAY a wheelchair would get on.
Don't suppose you know the cut-off for the DDA with reference to public transport? I had a funny feeling it was about 2004 - but I agree that is simply is not up to standard.
I think I shocked a bus driver a few months ago. Got on bus to be told it was £1 odd for the 1/2mile trip over 2 stops. Said thats pethetic and enquired how muach for a shorter distance. Turns out its the same whether you go one stop or right into town and the depo.
Told him I was paying that got off and walked, and nearly beat the bus!
Told him I was paying that got off and walked, and nearly beat the bus!
I live in North London, close to a tube station and quite a few bus routes, so public transport should not be a problem.
It's dire! If the trains turn up, they're late and full.
There are repeated signal failures, breakdowns and cancellations, and no information. The busses are just as bad, late, missing, filthy and full of drunks & psychotic nutters at night. 
I'll be keeping my car.
Rant over. Calm down. Deep breaths.
It's dire! If the trains turn up, they're late and full.
There are repeated signal failures, breakdowns and cancellations, and no information. The busses are just as bad, late, missing, filthy and full of drunks & psychotic nutters at night. I'll be keeping my car.
Rant over. Calm down. Deep breaths.
There are many large loopholes in the legislation. Transport, public or otherwise is not included.
"Which businesses and organisations (service providers) does Part III of the DDA apply to?
The DDA affects everyone in the UK who provides services to the public, or a section of the public, whether in the private, public or voluntary sectors. Unlike the employment provisions of the DDA, there are no exemptions for service providers on the basis of their size. But the Act does exclude education and the use of any means of transport from its provisions. It also excludes services not available to the public, such as those provided by private clubs to their members. Manufacturers and designers of goods are also excluded unless they provide a service direct to the public."
Quote from Government website.
"Which businesses and organisations (service providers) does Part III of the DDA apply to?
The DDA affects everyone in the UK who provides services to the public, or a section of the public, whether in the private, public or voluntary sectors. Unlike the employment provisions of the DDA, there are no exemptions for service providers on the basis of their size. But the Act does exclude education and the use of any means of transport from its provisions. It also excludes services not available to the public, such as those provided by private clubs to their members. Manufacturers and designers of goods are also excluded unless they provide a service direct to the public."
Quote from Government website.
superflid said: There are many large loopholes in the legislation. Transport, public or otherwise is not included.
"Which businesses and organisations (service providers) does Part III of the DDA apply to?
The DDA affects everyone in the UK who provides services to the public, or a section of the public, whether in the private, public or voluntary sectors. Unlike the employment provisions of the DDA, there are no exemptions for service providers on the basis of their size. But the Act does exclude education and the use of any means of transport from its provisions. It also excludes services not available to the public, such as those provided by private clubs to their members. Manufacturers and designers of goods are also excluded unless they provide a service direct to the public."
Quote from Government website.
- cheeky swines! Usual beaurocatic shite... I used to stay in central London for a few years, Farringdon. I used to work in the city close to Liverpool St, the tube would take between 10 - 40 mins and I could walk in 15 mins.
The overcrowded buses put me off from ever using them.
You would think with so many people using public transport in London they could use their heads and improve the system.
Deester...
The overcrowded buses put me off from ever using them.
You would think with so many people using public transport in London they could use their heads and improve the system.
Deester...
I chose my house on the basis of it having a train line direct to my office. Train 31 mins, 4 pounds per day, driving 1 hour 30 mins, parking 10 pounds per day, petrol 10 pounds per day, tyres, depreciation etc about 3 pounds per day.
So, train won hands down.
I've now moved jobs, so need to move house, as I don't want to drive to work.
So, train won hands down.
I've now moved jobs, so need to move house, as I don't want to drive to work.
northernboy said: I chose my house on the basis of it having a train line direct to my office. Train 31 mins, 4 pounds per day, driving 1 hour 30 mins, parking 10 pounds per day, petrol 10 pounds per day, tyres, depreciation etc about 3 pounds per day.
So, train won hands down.
I've now moved jobs, so need to move house, as I don't want to drive to work.
Well on that basis public transport works for you - which is a result. However, in the example I've sited, it is both quicker and cheaper for me to drive - even taking into account depreciation and wear and tear..
... there also aren't any drunks in my car, which is nice.
I live in Basingstoke, fairly often my job requires me to travel London. I of course use the train, but at 7-7:30am you pay £27.70! (lucky for me expenceable) but more recently the service is always late and most days your lucky to get a seat...
In fact my mates girlfriend can get a return flight to her home country of Austria with one of these cheap carriers for less!
>> Edited by markda on Thursday 21st November 09:51
In fact my mates girlfriend can get a return flight to her home country of Austria with one of these cheap carriers for less!
>> Edited by markda on Thursday 21st November 09:51
I commute into the City everyday unfortunately and it's a really shit journey. I always have to stand it's always absolutely packed.
Now my question is; what the hell is going to happen when the congestion charging starts taking effect? Some people will be affected and will not be able to afford the £5 a day to drive into London as they do now. I'm not being funny but the trains can't handle the present demand never mind what might be...
Every train/bus/tube is already overloaded now never mind the expected demand to come.
Now my question is; what the hell is going to happen when the congestion charging starts taking effect? Some people will be affected and will not be able to afford the £5 a day to drive into London as they do now. I'm not being funny but the trains can't handle the present demand never mind what might be...
Every train/bus/tube is already overloaded now never mind the expected demand to come.
When I was at Uni, I had to get the train home every friday night from Derby to Stafford and back again on a Sunday evening, on about 20% of the time, it ran smoothly, the other 80% was a B@5t@rd. 
Delays, cancellations you name it.
Also there wasn't a straight through line, so I has to either change at Birmingham New Street or Stoke on trent, both of which meant doubling back on myself at some point. It once took 4 hours to get home, it only takes 45 minutes tops by car down the A38.
I am so glad i finally passed my test. The car wins every time now.
Delays, cancellations you name it. Also there wasn't a straight through line, so I has to either change at Birmingham New Street or Stoke on trent, both of which meant doubling back on myself at some point. It once took 4 hours to get home, it only takes 45 minutes tops by car down the A38.
I am so glad i finally passed my test. The car wins every time now.
Roy C said:
Oi_Oi_Savaloy said:what the hell is going to happen when the congestion charging starts taking effect?
Chaos around the edges of the charging zone.
What a wonderful way of attracting "key workers", Ken!
Isn't Ken planning to put London Transport (tube and bus) prices up (2 - 7%) at the same time?
Not to provide a better service but to pay for the congestion charging system no doubt!
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