The Secret life of F1
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marki

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297 months

Wednesday 27th November 2002
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This is a must see prog , i caught it on Discovery last night it basically gives a potted history of F1 from Auto Union days to the present , featuring Williams quite heavily .

I had a few illusions shattered as a kid i thought the BRM V16`s were all conquering , it turns out that after the war the British gov took the plans from Mercedes and Auto Union and helped form BRM and that the BRM was basically a copy of zee German cars , to quote Mr. Caine "Not a lot of people knew that"

mannginger

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284 months

Wednesday 27th November 2002
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Yeah I watched the first half of that - until my flatmates came in and forced me to watch Predator (again!) I was very interested to see that the Government actually had their spies/secret service go in and take the research and write up a report.

They must have thought Fastcars and Motorsport were pivotal in those days - :sigh: how times change!!

marki

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Wednesday 27th November 2002
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mannginger said:
They must have thought Fastcars and Motorsport were pivotal in those days - :sigh: how times change!!


Sad but true ,,,,,, unbelivable stuff.

And if we think F1 is not competitive today, Mercedes winning by over 5 mins

One clip that made me cringe was Rosemayer on a re-fueling stop when he got about 2 gallons of gas down the back of his neck followed by a bucket of water from the pit crew , how would the prima donas deal with that i wonder , ahh back in the days when men were men .

Roy C

4,209 posts

311 months

Wednesday 27th November 2002
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mannginger said: the Government actually had their spies/secret service go in and take the research and write up a report.

erm,... not exactly spies, just boffins. The report was published by HMSO and Raymond Mays & Co nipped down the shops and bought a copy (it was recently re-issued).

BRM tried to copy the way Mercedes was organised, rather than cribbing the engineering. Not being a well-funded, highly organised, state-aided industry, they failed.

marki

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Wednesday 27th November 2002
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Roy C said:

mannginger said: the Government actually had their spies/secret service go in and take the research and write up a report.

erm,... not exactly spies, just boffins. The report was published by HMSO and Raymond Mays & Co nipped down the shops and bought a copy (it was recently re-issued).

BRM tried to copy the way Mercedes was organised, rather than cribbing the engineering. Not being a well-funded, highly organised, state-aided industry, they failed.




OK the way they put it and as the pics proved the BRM look very like , and was described as a copy of the Mercedes , they cocked it up by putting the over complicated V16 engine it it

Terminator

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311 months

Wednesday 27th November 2002
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marki said: .....
they cocked it up by putting the over complicated V16 engine it it
Ssshhhhhh, you'll be giving Peter Wheeler ideas...



marki

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Wednesday 27th November 2002
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Terminator said:

marki said: .....
they cocked it up by putting the over complicated V16 engine it it
Ssshhhhhh, you'll be giving Peter Wheeler ideas...






I think he probably has too many already

Roy C

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311 months

Wednesday 27th November 2002
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Terminator said: Ssshhhhhh, you'll be giving Peter Wheeler ideas...


Speed Sixteen??
(two straight eights on a common crank!!)


HiRich

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289 months

Wednesday 27th November 2002
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marki said: One clip that made me cringe was Rosemayer on a re-fueling stop when he got about 2 gallons of gas down the back of his neck followed by a bucket of water from the pit crew , how would the prima donas deal with that i wonder , ahh back in the days when men were men .


Nigel Mansell suffered a leaking fuel bag on his debut with Lotus, and spent the race sitting in a puddle of petrol, picking up serious petrol burns. And that was on top of his recovering broken back...

Unlike Piquet, who was happy to sit in a puddle of his own p**s, and managed to rot the bottom out of his car!

Roy C

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311 months

Wednesday 27th November 2002
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Rosemeyer's AutoUnion wasn't running on anything you (or Our Noige) would recognise as petrol. The mechanics used to throw a bucket of water over the driver's back to try and limit the burns. Come to think of it, Mansell could have done with a few buckets...

marki

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HiRich said:

Unlike Piquet, who was happy to sit in a puddle of his own p**s, and managed to rot the bottom out of his car!


I recal that legend of Piquet peeing during the race, but rotting out the bottom of the car but i bet he got a nasty nappy (daiper for ErnestM) rash