I see dead people!
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rich 36

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13,739 posts

294 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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Mt workmates wife was in Sainsburys the other week, when their new ford was rear-ended by a driver who had suffered a fatal heat attack. he scraped a couple of other cars, before shunting her, and damaging the bumper. now his insurance are saying, we will pay nothing out untill the exact time of death is established!!! please discuss.

Graham.J

5,420 posts

287 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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Don't think there is much you can do so much as wait untill the time of death has been established. This could be an odd one. Was it his fault? Could he help dying?

rich 36

Original Poster:

13,739 posts

294 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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Could he help dying???????

Graham.J

5,420 posts

287 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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Is that a "could he help dying" WTF

Size Nine Elm

5,167 posts

312 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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That sounds like an insurance company get-out...

"It couldn't have been his fault, he was dead"

miniman

29,819 posts

290 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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Similar thing on BBC News where Tesco have demanded to see the death certificate for a child in order to remove them from the Toddler Club or somesuch.

Tesco. Every little [bit of insensitive sh1t] helps [when your kid has just died].

Jason F

1,183 posts

312 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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Mt workmates wife was in Sainsburys the other week, when their new ford was rear-ended by a driver who had suffered a fatal heat attack. he scraped a couple of other cars, before shunting her, and damaging the bumper. now his insurance are saying, we will pay nothing out untill the exact time of death is established!!! please discuss.


Why not? I thought it was rear-end = at fault.
That sounds very much like a cop out to me.

TJMurphy

239 posts

291 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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Sounds like they're looking for a way-out.
Sorry, our insurance doesn't cover dead drivers!
If this is the case is the motor insurance company looking to pass responsibility over to some other form of insurance (personal accident or something?)

deltaf

1,384 posts

285 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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Maybe driving while dead isnt such a good idea after all, is what id say...

phantum

41 posts

284 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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Make the NHS pay!

Cotty

42,147 posts

312 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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I dont understand why the time of death is relevant. Are they going to try and get out of the claim somhow?. They insured the driver I dont suppose the policy has a clause stating they will only insure living people, he was driving the car at the time on the accident

peter_964rs

287 posts

301 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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deltaf said: Maybe driving while dead isnt such a good idea after all, is what id say...

What about driving whilst dead from the waist down? That'd explain a lot of the dickheads out there.

HarryW

15,982 posts

297 months

Tuesday 17th December 2002
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deltaf said: Maybe driving while dead isnt such a good idea after all, is what id say...


Shouldn't he get 3 points and £60 fine for this, its possibily worse than falling asleep at the wheel .

H

IMHO

wedg1e

27,031 posts

293 months

Wednesday 18th December 2002
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Reminds me of a story from my biking days, where a doctor in India had to attend a fatality. Owing to the remoteness of the location, he elected to remove the deceased from the scene on the back of his scooter (somehow). Apparently he was stopped by the boys in blue (errrr.. or whatever colour they wear!) who nicked him for... an insecure load.

Still, over here the corpse would've got a ticket for not wearing a crash helmet...

Ian

Jason F

1,183 posts

312 months

Wednesday 18th December 2002
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phantum said: Make the NHS pay!


You must be joking. The Govt are already looking at making insurance companies pay the complete medical bill of those involved in an RTA. And we already pay a nominal fee (I thought about 10 quid). We don't pay national insurance so we can get medical treatment you know, there are far too many asylum seekers/prisoners etc.. who don't pay a penny into the system that need looking after.

daver

1,209 posts

312 months

Wednesday 18th December 2002
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If you drive into the back of someone, it's your fault. Period. Being dead is not an excuse, it just means you're less concerned about losing your NCB come renewal time!

Shnozz

30,497 posts

299 months

Wednesday 18th December 2002
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You may not like the position but I'll tell you how it is.

If the third party had a history of heart problems then his insurers should pay up. You can ask them to disclose copies of his medical records to show there was no history of heart problems.

If there was no history but you can show he was "in trouble" and I mean had earlier collisions that day/journey with parked cars then he should have pulled over and the insurers should also pay.

If there is no history at all thaht he should have been aware of his heart problems, then the insurers have a way out as it will be considered a no-fault accident from the TP's view.

kevinday

13,770 posts

308 months

Wednesday 18th December 2002
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Shnozz said: You may not like the position but I'll tell you how it is.

If the third party had a history of heart problems then his insurers should pay up. You can ask them to disclose copies of his medical records to show there was no history of heart problems.

If there was no history but you can show he was "in trouble" and I mean had earlier collisions that day/journey with parked cars then he should have pulled over and the insurers should also pay.

If there is no history at all thaht he should have been aware of his heart problems, then the insurers have a way out as it will be considered a no-fault accident from the TP's view.


That may be the case to the insurance company but there is actually no such thing as an accident with 'no fault'. Clearly somebody is at fault or there would be no accident. Since this was a case of a one person accident then it follows that that one person is at fault, be they dead or otherwise at the time.

This appears to be just another example of an insurance company trying to weasel out of their responsibilities. It is high time it was the car that was insured, not the driver/car combination.

nubbin

6,809 posts

306 months

Wednesday 18th December 2002
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Get back to his insurance company and tell them to stop arsing about. There is not a coroner or pathologist in the world who can stand up and say that person A died at 9:27 and 30 seconds, rather than 9:27 and 50 seconds, or 9:27 and 10 seconds. It's a load of bollox, and you are absolutely within your rights to tell them so, preferably through your insurance company. What a load of underwriter's noose-avoiding crap! They, like their client, are dead and buried on this one.

After all, he's hardly likely to be out driving, if he died the previous day, is he?

>> Edited by nubbin on Wednesday 18th December 10:26

Podie

46,649 posts

303 months

Wednesday 18th December 2002
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Suggest to the insurance company, that he probably died AFTER the accident, as when he'd realised what he'd done... he karked it.