Eurocrats and driving licences
Eurocrats and driving licences
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nel

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4,825 posts

264 months

Tuesday 28th March 2006
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To my surprise I actually agree with these measures because they are just intended to stop drivers banned in another country applying for a licence here. As long as the bit I've marked in bold stays the current state of affairs then I'll be reasonably happy - unfortunately it won't of course.

Bad news for super bike lovers wanting licences though.

www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2106713,00.html

Drivers across Europe to face same tests
From Anthony Browne in Brussels

New rules will end 'licence shopping' by banned drivers and co-ordinate testing for everything from mopeds to lorries


MOTORISTS banned from driving in the UK will no longer be able to apply for a licence anywhere else in Europe under the first fully harmonised EU driving licence, which was agreed yesterday.

The licence, aimed at ending so-called “licence shopping”, will also impose increased safety restrictions on lorry and bus drivers and motorcyclists, making it more difficult for them to gain and keep their licences.

The change co-ordinates for the first time the testing and licensing requirements for all drivers of anything from mopeds to lorries across all 25 member states. Brussels insists that it will improve road safety, combat fraud and make it easier for traffic police to enforce the law.

National authorities will cross-check databases when issuing a licence to weed out those motorists banned in their home countries. There has been growing concern that they were applying for a licence abroad for use at home.

However, governments will not have the right to remove licences issued by other states; for example the French Government will not have the right permanently to remove licences from British holidaymakers.

EU countries do not recognise each others’ legal systems, so one state cannot impose penalty points on a licence issued by another.
The only exception for British drivers is in Ireland, where a new bilateral agreement gives the Irish authorities the right to add penalty points to the licences of UK drivers, or to ban them permanently.

The British Government objected to the legislation after the motorcycle industry said that it would have a devastating impact, but all other member states voted in favour.

The licence raises from 21 to 24 the age at which people can pass a test to drive the most powerful motorcycles. It introduces strict age limits for less powerful bikes and a test each time a rider moves up the scale, requiring up to three tests.

At present, riders face one test, but must then accumulate experience before riding more powerful machines. The Department for Transport believes experience, not age, is most important for safety. After being out-voted in Brussels, Stephen Ladyman, the Transport Minister, said that the new motorcycle rules were “unnecessary, overly rigid and won’t add anything to road safety, which is why we objected.

“These changes won’t give us any benefits over existing arrangements,” he said. “People will find their access to motorbikes will be much more restricted and the motorbike industry will suffer. It’s negative, but we have no choice but to make the best of it.”

There are about a million motorcycles in the UK and about 100,000 people apply for motorcycle licences each year, with a pass rate of 65 per cent. Trevor Magner, of the British Motorcyclists’ Federation, said the new rules would “have an extreme and devastating effect on the take-up of motorbiking. The more bureaucracy and restrictions there are, the fewer people will take it up.

“It will do nothing for motorcycling safety — there will be fewer motorcycling deaths simply because no one will be riding them.”

Under the rules, which must be introduced within six years, bus and lorry drivers under the age of 45 must renew their licence and declare that their health is good every five years rather than every ten.

Jacques Barrot, the European Commissioner for Transport, said: “The European driving licence is of vital importance for road safety.”

THE NEW LICENCE

Changes for the UK

Age limit for being allowed direct access to largest motorcycles raised from 21 to 24


Tests introduced each time people under 24 move up to a more powerful motorcycle


Bus and lorry drivers under 45 will have to renew licence every five years rather than every ten, and declare they are in good health


People banned from driving in one EU country automatically prevented from getting a new licence in other EU countries






r988

7,495 posts

252 months

Tuesday 28th March 2006
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Gazboy said:
Don't you also have to take a test now to tow a trailer or caravan?


certainly a sensible idea

Matthew C

4,028 posts

260 months

Tuesday 28th March 2006
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nel said:
Age limit for being allowed direct access to largest motorcycles raised from 21 to 24

puffpuff

22,908 posts

249 months

Tuesday 28th March 2006
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Matthew C said:
nel said:
Age limit for being allowed direct access to largest motorcycles raised from 21 to 24


Being the wrong side of 50 does that mean I get to have two???
Must tell my wife .....

Rob-C

1,488 posts

272 months

Tuesday 28th March 2006
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In other words, a whole new layer of pointless meddling, instigated by a bunch of people whose job it is to meddle pointlessly?



james_j

3,996 posts

278 months

Wednesday 29th March 2006
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Yet more cr@p from our euro membership; has anyone ever experienced a benefit?

hollypop

810 posts

242 months

Wednesday 29th March 2006
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When will this take effect?

black-k1

12,658 posts

252 months

Wednesday 29th March 2006
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james_j said:
Yet more cr@p from our euro membership; has anyone ever experienced a benefit?


Yep, The French, the Spanish, the Italians, the Irish, ........

Matthew C

4,028 posts

260 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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puffpuff said:
Matthew C said:
nel said:
Age limit for being allowed direct access to largest motorcycles raised from 21 to 24


Being the wrong side of 50 does that mean I get to have two???
Must tell my wife .....


As you can get married at 16, do you get to have 3 wives as well?

Thom

1,742 posts

270 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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I wonder when they will rule the use of toilet paper.

There are too many people on this Earth.

Matthew C

4,028 posts

260 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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Thom said:
I wonder when they will rule the use of toilet paper.

There are too many people on this Earth.


When you join the RAF, you get 3 pieces of toilet paper - one to wipe forwards, one to wipe backwards and one to polish off with.