Teachers complaining again
Discussion
On the BBC news this morning, a big feature on why 'a third of teachers would like to leave the profession ijn the next five years'. Reasons given were the usual ones, not enough pay, too much work, poor working conditons. For some reason I did not feel a big wave of sympathy washing over me. I don't know why, exactly, though it might be that the reasons given apply to most other jobs. It could also be the suspicion that the vast majority of teachers do not spend many hours of their own time preparing lessons and marking homework etc.
John
John
I must sympathise with them a little tiny bit though.
Did you also see the bit on the same programme about some Scottish girl called Fria (?), who is suing her school, with the support of Mummy, because she thought that detention was a breach of her human rights!!
I was also told recently about a teacher who is being sued by a parent for injuries caused by a handshake at a parents evening. WTF is it coming to.
Did you also see the bit on the same programme about some Scottish girl called Fria (?), who is suing her school, with the support of Mummy, because she thought that detention was a breach of her human rights!!
I was also told recently about a teacher who is being sued by a parent for injuries caused by a handshake at a parents evening. WTF is it coming to.
I'm going to defend teachers here, my wife's one! I am not being patronising here, and I apologise if you live with a teacher, but until you do I don't think anyone can truly appreciate the amount of work these guys do.
My wife regularly works 13+ hours a day and I can guarantee that at least one day in the weekend is taken up with work, that is EVERY week. As far as holidays are concerned in real terms I guess she gets five weeks like most other people (me!). Half term 'holidays' are spent in school and a lot of Easter/Christmas is spent preparing/planning etc.
The paperwork etc that comes with teaching is insane, I'm an NHS manager and I deal with a lot of rubbish but it is not in the same league as teaching, because I doubt there is another profession that is so subject to the whims of politics.
Parental control is going down the toilet and who picks up the pieces of this... Teachers! I would not like to be told to
off by a 7 year old, but worse than that when I was 7 I would not have even known the word. If I had dared to say that to a teacher my Dad would have made sure I could not sit down for a week. This simply does not happen today and teachers deal with this, and aggresive parents, day in day out.
I can see exactly why teachers are a bit dogged off. I am fully aware that other people work 13+ hours a day and a subject to rubbish, I am, but I am at least I'm paid to take the crap, teachers are not really. Starting pay is not horrific but it gets worse in real terms the longer you are a teacher, not much incentive there!
Some teachers I am sure break this view but they are the minority, if we want a well educated population and a good system we have to invest in it and make sure that the good teachers, the majority, actually enjoy there profession.
Cheers
Twit
My wife regularly works 13+ hours a day and I can guarantee that at least one day in the weekend is taken up with work, that is EVERY week. As far as holidays are concerned in real terms I guess she gets five weeks like most other people (me!). Half term 'holidays' are spent in school and a lot of Easter/Christmas is spent preparing/planning etc.
The paperwork etc that comes with teaching is insane, I'm an NHS manager and I deal with a lot of rubbish but it is not in the same league as teaching, because I doubt there is another profession that is so subject to the whims of politics.
Parental control is going down the toilet and who picks up the pieces of this... Teachers! I would not like to be told to
off by a 7 year old, but worse than that when I was 7 I would not have even known the word. If I had dared to say that to a teacher my Dad would have made sure I could not sit down for a week. This simply does not happen today and teachers deal with this, and aggresive parents, day in day out. I can see exactly why teachers are a bit dogged off. I am fully aware that other people work 13+ hours a day and a subject to rubbish, I am, but I am at least I'm paid to take the crap, teachers are not really. Starting pay is not horrific but it gets worse in real terms the longer you are a teacher, not much incentive there!
Some teachers I am sure break this view but they are the minority, if we want a well educated population and a good system we have to invest in it and make sure that the good teachers, the majority, actually enjoy there profession.
Cheers
Twit
farmboy said:
Did you also see the bit on the same programme about some Scottish girl called Fria (?), who is suing her school, with the support of Mummy, because she thought that detention was a breach of her human rights!!
I was also told recently about a teacher who is being sued by a parent for injuries caused by a handshake at a parents evening. WTF is it coming to.
Why does the British system even entertain stupid clamis like this. I feat the UK needs more people with common sense.
Its just plain stupid!
Johnelliot,
You obviously don't know many teachers. Let me spell it out for you.
My wife in her 7th year of teaching, gets into work at 8am, often only has 10 minutes for lunch, and rarley leaves befor 4:30. When she gets home there is lesson planning marking and other paperwork. She does less now, but when she started she was doing 14 hour days, and that included me helping by typing up worksheets.
Her reward for all this?
inflexible holiday (often taken up by more school work)
£22K per year.
verbal and occasional physical abuse from the sh*tes she teaches (14-18yrs) with little or no power to do anything about it.
I know of NO graduate (in science, as she is) who is earning so little 10 years after graduating (she worked in a lab for a few years).
I'm sure you will shoot me down for some of this, but my wife is currently one of the 1/3 who are thinking about leaving.
Soon there will be no (decent) teachers.
Sparks
P.S my wife *is* a good teacher, according to OFSTED.
You obviously don't know many teachers. Let me spell it out for you.
My wife in her 7th year of teaching, gets into work at 8am, often only has 10 minutes for lunch, and rarley leaves befor 4:30. When she gets home there is lesson planning marking and other paperwork. She does less now, but when she started she was doing 14 hour days, and that included me helping by typing up worksheets.
Her reward for all this?
inflexible holiday (often taken up by more school work)
£22K per year.
verbal and occasional physical abuse from the sh*tes she teaches (14-18yrs) with little or no power to do anything about it.
I know of NO graduate (in science, as she is) who is earning so little 10 years after graduating (she worked in a lab for a few years).
I'm sure you will shoot me down for some of this, but my wife is currently one of the 1/3 who are thinking about leaving.
Soon there will be no (decent) teachers.
Sparks
P.S my wife *is* a good teacher, according to OFSTED.
Anyone see that stupid cow on TV this morning who is suing the Scottish education authority because her daughter had received detentions.
She was bleating on about the teacher being judge and executioner and that the child didn't have any human rights. WHAT A CROCK OF $HITE. Made me quite angry that nonsense like this is entertained. Was quite annoyed that the BBC presenter didn't do a Paxman on her...
She was bleating on about the teacher being judge and executioner and that the child didn't have any human rights. WHAT A CROCK OF $HITE. Made me quite angry that nonsense like this is entertained. Was quite annoyed that the BBC presenter didn't do a Paxman on her...
I think Sparks may have hit the nail on the head when he mentioned this (verbal and occasional physical abuse from the sh*tes she teaches (14-18yrs) with little or no power to do anything about it.), this for me, were I qualified, would be the single reason for not entering into teaching. My Wife very seriously looked into teaching, she is more than qualified for the job (PhD) and I feel would have been an asset to the system, she went on several try-out days and sat in on classes of all abilities and ages (11-18) and the main reason for her not going into teaching was....??? The little buggers not wanting to learn, just pissing about all the time, even in A-Level science classes!!! Now this was in a relatively affluent and nice area, no crime to speak of etc, etc. It's not as if the money would be a problem either, it's not too dissimilar to what she was earning anyway as a post Doc in accademia......1 but that's another subject.
The Girls were more interested in who shagged who (underage) and showing off their latest G-rope to the boys, who, couldn't concentrate on anything butt
. Now, in my day, which wasn't all that long ago, going to school in a similar area, similar type of school, it just wouldn't have been allowed, we would have been sent home to get changed only to return to extra double maths after school......WITH our parents blessing!!!
I can remember my parents going to a parents evening and asking the teachers to be hard on me, and they were!!!!!
Lack of respect, lack of discipline, lack of trust from the Government for the teachers to do their job, too much mamby pamby, tell little johnny he's been a good boy when he's just kicked you in the shins blah blah crap!
I noticed things changing just before I left the sixth form in my school (1990), when I was a lad I wouldn't have dared talk to a teacher the way these kids (11 yo) did, or to other much older and bigger kids, it's just that they knew they could get away with it. I was also scared of the reaction of my parents if I were to do anything wrong (and get caught), I don't think that is so evident now either!?
>> Edited by dougal on Tuesday 7th January 10:32
The Girls were more interested in who shagged who (underage) and showing off their latest G-rope to the boys, who, couldn't concentrate on anything butt
. Now, in my day, which wasn't all that long ago, going to school in a similar area, similar type of school, it just wouldn't have been allowed, we would have been sent home to get changed only to return to extra double maths after school......WITH our parents blessing!!! I can remember my parents going to a parents evening and asking the teachers to be hard on me, and they were!!!!!
Lack of respect, lack of discipline, lack of trust from the Government for the teachers to do their job, too much mamby pamby, tell little johnny he's been a good boy when he's just kicked you in the shins blah blah crap!
I noticed things changing just before I left the sixth form in my school (1990), when I was a lad I wouldn't have dared talk to a teacher the way these kids (11 yo) did, or to other much older and bigger kids, it's just that they knew they could get away with it. I was also scared of the reaction of my parents if I were to do anything wrong (and get caught), I don't think that is so evident now either!?
>> Edited by dougal on Tuesday 7th January 10:32
On the BBC news this morning, a big feature on why 'a third of teachers would like to leave the profession ijn the next five years'. Reasons given were the usual ones, not enough pay, too much work, poor working conditons. For some reason I did not feel a big wave of sympathy washing over me. I don't know why, exactly, though it might be that the reasons given apply to most other jobs. It could also be the suspicion that the vast majority of teachers do not spend many hours of their own time preparing lessons and marking homework etc.
John
My Wife used to teach. Not any more. 60 hrs a week and not exactly a record breaking salary. You think teachers should stop whining. I say it's put up or shut up time. If you don't do it yourself, then go try it in an inner city school and then you're qualified to tell us all what an easy life it is
. As for that stupid cow - words fail me. We seem to have some kind of reverse natural selection going on this country at the moment.
Steve.
Society's filth has a much greater propensity to breed than the more enlightened sorts..
Steve _T said: As for that stupid cow - words fail me. We seem to have some kind of reverse natural selection going on this country at the moment.
It's a rare thing now to find smart successful couples with lots of kids - one or two sure, but five or more?
Those who have insight, money & resources live rich and varied lives.. those who have not breed out of control.. ignorance breeds ignorance in ever increasing numbers..
Ergo the sheer volume of feral kids starts to overwhelm society and they must be exterminated like marauding disease riddled vermin that they are.
Compulsory sterilisation is high on my post-revolution agenda..
Good vigorous defence of the teaching profession. Excellent! Some of the replies are a somewhat contradictory, though. On the one hand we have classes full of teenagers who haven't the slightest interest in schoolwork, and on the other hand teachers who have to spend many extra hours keeping up with them.
Granted the curriculum changes from time to time, but for the most part why can't the lesson preparation that was done in the previous year be used for the class of new pupils in the current year?
It's obvious many of the respondents know lots about this stuff, could they tell me where all these other jobs, so much better than teaching, are?
BTW, 8.00 til 4.30, I'll have some of that! (5?)weeks holiday, yes please!
Granted the curriculum changes from time to time, but for the most part why can't the lesson preparation that was done in the previous year be used for the class of new pupils in the current year?
It's obvious many of the respondents know lots about this stuff, could they tell me where all these other jobs, so much better than teaching, are?
BTW, 8.00 til 4.30, I'll have some of that! (5?)weeks holiday, yes please!
dougal said: I think Sparks may have hit the nail on the head when he mentioned this (verbal and occasional physical abuse from the sh*tes she teaches (14-18yrs) with little or no power to do anything about it.),
This is precisely why my brother jacked in his PGCE 12 months ago.. he was really keen about teaching having spent several years doing a variety of jobs, and he'd have been good at it, however the constant stream of abuse from kids deliberatly trying to be as obnoxious as possible to provoke a reaction was impossible for him.
As he said to me one day, whay would you do if you had a smirknig 14 year old stood in front of you telling you to F*ck off, knowing you cant touch him.
I'd have tw&tted the little f***er and bounced his head off a desk..
.. Matt.
I wish the Government would find some other profession to f**k around with to impress the electorate, my daughter has just left school and had to deal with the introduction of the new A level replacements. We went to her parent evening to have this crap explained to us, the Head couldn't understand it! so what chance the kids. I know the schools are full of kids who don't want to learn but the interfering Government is buggering it up for the ones who do. I have great sympathy for all the good teachers who are caught in the middle of this mess.
I hardly think it's fair to compare them firemen..
skittle said: Last month firemen, this month teachers, next month I guess it will be the nurses and doctors
Whether firemen have a legitimate grievance is open to question AFAIC
Teachers and medical staff have an incontravertible grievance..
I'm not a great fan of teachers.. there are a few good ones, but there are also a lot of utterly hopeless ones who've never experienced life out of the classroom in their whole lives and probably couldn't hack it in a corporate position. We desperately need talented and committed teachers but there is simply no incentive whatsoever to get into the profession. And it's haemorraging staff at a frightening rate as all those that can do other things go ahead and do so.
How long before every plumber and sparky you meet used to be a teacher but now earns three times the money for half the work?
I have a friend who is a teacher who has been signed off for the next term at least due to depression. Whilst I was talking with her about this she told me that 2/3rds of the teachers in her school are on Anti-depressants. Its a nice school with great teachers from what I can see. Thats just scary.
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