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Another disastrous day for the Midlands car industry, unfortunately.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18042006/344
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18042006/344
I know, it's very sad news 
But trying to explain to people who work in the service industry (and have kittle knowledge of what’s going on in the manufacturing industry) that we're in a huge economic recession and people aren’t buying what they used to is like banging your head against a brick wall.
If Pugs aren’t selling that many (relatively), then is it any wonder that small volume sports car manufactures are feeling the pinch even more – people aren’t spending like they used to, and that’s down to, in no small part to the ever increasing,, and ever crippling direct and indirect tax burden the working people are hit with…………
But trying to explain to people who work in the service industry (and have kittle knowledge of what’s going on in the manufacturing industry) that we're in a huge economic recession and people aren’t buying what they used to is like banging your head against a brick wall. If Pugs aren’t selling that many (relatively), then is it any wonder that small volume sports car manufactures are feeling the pinch even more – people aren’t spending like they used to, and that’s down to, in no small part to the ever increasing,, and ever crippling direct and indirect tax burden the working people are hit with…………
-ing sickening. Although it has been on the cards for a while (new product investment at the plant has been conspicuously lacking for a long time), it doesn't make it anymore palatable.
The French (or Germans for that matter) will always look after their own first, and I don't blame them!
This country's evangelical obsession with short-term "sell-your-own-grandmother" economics has destroyed our export capability and also the ability to compete with imports. These structural deficiencies will be all too readily exposed when the domestic economy finally goes for a burton.
When BAe sell their stake in Airbus to EADS this is exactly what will happen to Broughton and Filton.
chris watton said:You should have been a politician Mr Watton
I know, it's very sad news
If Pugs aren’t selling that many (relatively), then is it any wonder that small volume sports car manufactures are feeling the pinch even more – people aren’t spending like they used to, and that’s down to, in no small part to the ever increasing,, and ever crippling direct and indirect tax burden the working people are hit with…………
.Dont forget its uncle Tony who's made your car tax cheaper than you expected
Just saw some interesting facts and figures on the beeb news this morning.The plant is closing despite it being 'productive and profitable'.There moving out to easern europe as its ccheaper than all of modern europe
.What was interesting was that the british car industry is at its best for years.With the honda,nissan and toyota plants being some of the most efficient in the world,british car production is at its highest scine its boom time in the seventies.Tha'll be our crap government and its economy then
>> Edited by mongoose on Wednesday 19th April 07:18
.What was interesting was that the british car industry is at its best for years.With the honda,nissan and toyota plants being some of the most efficient in the world,british car production is at its highest scine its boom time in the seventies.Tha'll be our crap government and its economy then >> Edited by mongoose on Wednesday 19th April 07:18
this shouldnt be a suprise. 2 years ago peugeot TURNED DOWN a grant for this site from the uk government for something like £15m. obviously those grants only come after promises to continue mass employment there. pug was unable to make that comitment 2 years ago. the unions knew this was on the cards, or should have. it's like saying its was a shock when rover collapsed, really? who for?
when will the unions wake up and stop supporting this idiotic government paying billions to the eu to revitalise eastern europe whilst losing our industry to them. doh. you're getting what you voted for, muppets.
oh and i particularly like the union bleating that they couldnt get away with it in france and that worker rights were to weak in the uk. do these halfwits actually want european employment laws? oh and 10%+ unemployment. grrrrrrrr
>> Edited by francisb on Wednesday 19th April 10:19
when will the unions wake up and stop supporting this idiotic government paying billions to the eu to revitalise eastern europe whilst losing our industry to them. doh. you're getting what you voted for, muppets.
oh and i particularly like the union bleating that they couldnt get away with it in france and that worker rights were to weak in the uk. do these halfwits actually want european employment laws? oh and 10%+ unemployment. grrrrrrrr
>> Edited by francisb on Wednesday 19th April 10:19
mongoose said:
Just saw some interesting facts and figures on the beeb news this morning.The plant is closing despite it being 'productive and profitable'.There moving out to easern europe as its ccheaper than all of modern europe
>> Edited by mongoose on Wednesday 19th April 07:18
I know
, We do have the skilled workers who go over and above their employment remit, but are stifled by ever increasing and ever more stupid employment 'rights' legislation, making us uncompetitive compared to say, China – what good are new laws and new taxes, killing investment and profits when the very people they’re meant to ‘protect’ will ultimately have no jobs to go to?chris watton said:
Just saw some interesting facts and figures on the beeb news this morning.The plant is closing despite it being 'productive and profitable'.There moving out to easern europe as its ccheaper than all of modern europe
>> Edited by mongoose on Wednesday 19th April 07:18
I know
A tragic loss.
However it's a very dangerous road to go down, trying to compete with China and other countries in the far east in terms of labour and other costs.
What we need to do is establish our industry and SELL IT on SKILL and technical superiority- like the Germans do. THATs what we offer compared to far east places. Anyone who's had to contract work out to India will know what I mean.
Marquis_Rex said:
Just saw some interesting facts and figures on the beeb news this morning.The plant is closing despite it being 'productive and profitable'.There moving out to easern europe as its ccheaper than all of modern europe
>> Edited by mongoose on Wednesday 19th April 07:18
I know
A tragic loss.
However it's a very dangerous road to go down, trying to compete with China and other countries in the far east in terms of labour and other costs.
What we need to do is establish our industry and SELL IT on SKILL and technical superiority- like the Germans do. THATs what we offer compared to far east places. Anyone who's had to contract work out to India will know what I mean.
I agree entirely!
However, because we do have this stupidly huge tax burden, giving our money to the government and local government to waste on ever increasing silly schemes, people are finding they have no choice but to buy the cheapest they can get away with – how many cheap Far Eastern cars, DVDs, TVs, white goods, hell, even plastic tomato planters (!!) do you see now? Put simply, a lot of hard working medium wage people cannot afford the premium on some European goods of, perhaps, higher quality, with higher quality components, made by workers who may in turn spend their money on what you manufacture, that’s what makes the world go round – at the mo, we’re making the Far Eastern world go round, while our’s grinds to a halt!
Marquis_Rex said:Very true.
What we need to do is establish our industry and SELL IT on SKILL and technical superiority- like the Germans do.
We also need to face up to the fact that British levels of productivity are poor compared to those of our direct competitors ... the G7 (excluding the UK) average productivity per worker is between 10% and 15% more productive than a UK worker.
That is a homegrown problem we can't blame on anyone else. Many of our private sector companies need to learn to work more effectively.
Witchfinder said:The 206 was indeed a big success, but that was a couple of years ago and production has fallen substantially in the last 18 months as that model comes to the end of its life. The question was whether or not to retool the factory to produce new models.
Just because it's a big seller doesn't mean it's economical to produce it in the UK. To be honest though, Nissan seem to produce very good cars very economically in the UK. So who's to blame?
Britain is now an expensive place to do anything, so mass-production which relies on economies of scale and keeping costs low is always going to struggle to be competitive with other (mostly Eastern) countries.
What we're good at (as has been said) is innovation and highly skilled work as we need to sell our services in these areas. In my area (IT) outsourcing (to India for example) has been shown to be cheaper in headline figures but the amount of rework we need to do due to mis-communication and poor development kills that cost saving.
What we're good at (as has been said) is innovation and highly skilled work as we need to sell our services in these areas. In my area (IT) outsourcing (to India for example) has been shown to be cheaper in headline figures but the amount of rework we need to do due to mis-communication and poor development kills that cost saving.
chris watton said:
I know, it's very sad news
If Pugs aren’t selling that many (relatively), then is it any wonder that small volume sports car manufactures are feeling the pinch even more – people aren’t spending like they used to, and that’s down to, in no small part to the ever increasing,, and ever crippling direct and indirect tax burden the working people are hit with…………
Actually people in the service industry are seeing massive job losses, often to other countries, just like the manufacturing industry. The difference is the papers can't be bothered to stick it on the front page and, as a result, the goverment can't be bothered to announce pointless 'rescue measures' if we are just about to approach some kind of election.
Given that we are now the most highly taxed country in the world, it is hardly a surprise we can't compete. Still Bliar can just increase taxes further to ensure that his traditional voting areas are still happy and HE will be OK!
We're doomed.
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