Petrol Pricing war.
Discussion
I am not normally one to send on or perpetuate these wanky type e mails. This one however got me thinking.
We are going to hit close to 89p a litre by the summer.
Want petrol prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action.
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy petrol on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join in! By now you're probably thinking petrol priced at about 77p a litre is super cheap. Me too! It is currently 79p - 83p for regular unleaded in some towns. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP at 77p -80p, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace.... not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying petrol. But we CAN have an impact on petrol prices if we all act together to force a price war.
Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other
companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached > over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... ..
THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again,all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.(and not buy at ESSO/BP) (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... well,
let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this one.)
How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.
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> > PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES and buy your petrol at Shell, Tesco, Sainsburys, Jet etc.
We are going to hit close to 89p a litre by the summer.
Want petrol prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action.
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy petrol on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join in! By now you're probably thinking petrol priced at about 77p a litre is super cheap. Me too! It is currently 79p - 83p for regular unleaded in some towns. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP at 77p -80p, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace.... not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying petrol. But we CAN have an impact on petrol prices if we all act together to force a price war.
Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other
companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached > over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... ..
THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again,all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.(and not buy at ESSO/BP) (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... well,
let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this one.)
How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.
> >
> > PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES and buy your petrol at Shell, Tesco, Sainsburys, Jet etc.
Damn, by the title I thought we were in for a good fight.
And to be fair to the oil companies it's not like high crude prices are their fault.
You can lay the blame at OPEC's door or our incumbent government (which is my choice).
It's the tax that is a killer. Not the base petrol prices. 30 years ago we (in this country) had the cheapest petrol in europe. Then the govenment decided that they wanted a slice of the action. A BIG slice.
If we ALL drove diesel cars and could easily convert to running on (tax evading) bio diesel (read; vegtable oil) then the government wouldn't be so keen to push the prices through the roof as they know many people would simply obtain black market cheapo bio diesel.
Much like many poeple are already doing with ciggies and booze these days.
As much as I understand and appreciate social responsibility by paying taxes, if they are going to take the piss and tax me out of existance then they can f**k right off if they think I'm going to roll over and take it.
I'll only pay a tax I can't avoid.
And if you have a diesel car then if I were you I'd run tax free bio diesel.
I only wish there was some easily available petrol substitute that was readily available.
Andy the Anarchist
PS can you tell I don't agree with fuel tax?
And to be fair to the oil companies it's not like high crude prices are their fault.
You can lay the blame at OPEC's door or our incumbent government (which is my choice).
It's the tax that is a killer. Not the base petrol prices. 30 years ago we (in this country) had the cheapest petrol in europe. Then the govenment decided that they wanted a slice of the action. A BIG slice.
If we ALL drove diesel cars and could easily convert to running on (tax evading) bio diesel (read; vegtable oil) then the government wouldn't be so keen to push the prices through the roof as they know many people would simply obtain black market cheapo bio diesel.
Much like many poeple are already doing with ciggies and booze these days.
As much as I understand and appreciate social responsibility by paying taxes, if they are going to take the piss and tax me out of existance then they can f**k right off if they think I'm going to roll over and take it.
I'll only pay a tax I can't avoid.
And if you have a diesel car then if I were you I'd run tax free bio diesel.
I only wish there was some easily available petrol substitute that was readily available.
Andy the Anarchist
PS can you tell I don't agree with fuel tax?
Whoever posted this, seems to have completely missed the fact that the fuel protests were pretty largely aimed at the goverment.
Unfortuanetly for the 'I hate big corporation, as a matter of priciple' brigade. Practicaly everyone understoood the(except the 'brigade')pie chart showing quite how much cake the government took, over 50 p a litre for doing very little, to begrudge an oil company a few pence a litre profit, to actual, explore, drill, refine, ship, distribute maintain infrastructure,deal with opec,etc seems a bit simplistic to me
B
>> Edited by bjwoods on Friday 17th January 17:42
Unfortuanetly for the 'I hate big corporation, as a matter of priciple' brigade. Practicaly everyone understoood the(except the 'brigade')pie chart showing quite how much cake the government took, over 50 p a litre for doing very little, to begrudge an oil company a few pence a litre profit, to actual, explore, drill, refine, ship, distribute maintain infrastructure,deal with opec,etc seems a bit simplistic to me
B
>> Edited by bjwoods on Friday 17th January 17:42
WalterU said: IIRC the actual cost of petrol - without the taxes - would be around 20p
Rgds, WalterU
Wonder if they could halve the price of petrol (and hence halve the fuel duty), and then include stamps or something as part of the deal to make up the other 10p/litre. Would this be legal?
its not that hard to make bio diesel.
You've got two choices.
One. Get friendly with a local chippie and take away large quantities of used veggie oil. Add about 1% kerosene(?) and leave for 2 weeks to decompose.
Result. Bio diesel you can run on a ordinary diesel.
(I'm not entirely sure what it is you add but it was on Top Gear not long ago. I'm sure the recipie is still on their webshite)
Two. Buy fresh vegie oil (in BIG cans) from a supermarket at a cost of about 20p/litre. A small modification to a normal diesel engine will allow you to run straight vegtable oil (SVO) The germans have been doing it for years and you can buy kits to convert your car quite cheaply.
LPG sounds like a nice idea but it costs a small fortune to convert your car so unless you do huge milages it wouldn't be worth it. Plus despite having lower taxes the worse fuel economy means its not massivly cheaper than regular petrol.
If I had a choice it would be a cheap diesel car running the DIY biodiesel sourced from a chippie for free. Now thats what I call low cost motoring. Plus the added benefit that you get to stick two fingers up at (greedy) Gordon Brown evey time you drive about.
Andy
You've got two choices.
One. Get friendly with a local chippie and take away large quantities of used veggie oil. Add about 1% kerosene(?) and leave for 2 weeks to decompose.
Result. Bio diesel you can run on a ordinary diesel.
(I'm not entirely sure what it is you add but it was on Top Gear not long ago. I'm sure the recipie is still on their webshite)
Two. Buy fresh vegie oil (in BIG cans) from a supermarket at a cost of about 20p/litre. A small modification to a normal diesel engine will allow you to run straight vegtable oil (SVO) The germans have been doing it for years and you can buy kits to convert your car quite cheaply.
LPG sounds like a nice idea but it costs a small fortune to convert your car so unless you do huge milages it wouldn't be worth it. Plus despite having lower taxes the worse fuel economy means its not massivly cheaper than regular petrol.
If I had a choice it would be a cheap diesel car running the DIY biodiesel sourced from a chippie for free. Now thats what I call low cost motoring. Plus the added benefit that you get to stick two fingers up at (greedy) Gordon Brown evey time you drive about.
Andy
IIRC petrol tax is flat rate, like booze and fags - therefore if the oil companies dropped the price by 10p, then we would see a 10p saving
GreenV8S said: Wonder if they could halve the price of petrol (and hence halve the fuel duty), and then include stamps or something as part of the deal to make up the other 10p/litre. Would this be legal?
. Just got my tax code through - over £4k for fuel benefit
(I now drive a much more economical car than five years ago (see profile), that I paid less than £2k benefit - think I shall be opting out. . Lose / lose situation unless you happen to live in Downing St.
I remember something like this being started at around the time of the fuel crises, they had a site which I can't remember the url for but the idea was that rather than "the common people" protest about the tax on fuel get a fuel company to do it. By boycotting 1 particular UK based fuel company that company would be the one putting pressure on the Govt very quickly, I can't magine the loss of revenue for Shell or BP if no-one bough fuel from them for 1 week.
I think the idea was that the company would be able to exert more pressure than the individuals that were complaining by saying something along the lines of we'll move out of the uk, job losses etc etc. The theory seems ok just I could never see it working in practice.
Cheers
Paul
I think the idea was that the company would be able to exert more pressure than the individuals that were complaining by saying something along the lines of we'll move out of the uk, job losses etc etc. The theory seems ok just I could never see it working in practice.
Cheers
Paul
And I don't think BP is the same company as Esso anyway.
Good diea though. Instead of buying Fina, I'll buy Total of Elf. Oh hang on, they're part of a company called TotalFineElf.
bring back victor Gauntlet and Pace petrolium. At least when he owned the petrol company, he also owned Aston Martin...
Good diea though. Instead of buying Fina, I'll buy Total of Elf. Oh hang on, they're part of a company called TotalFineElf.
bring back victor Gauntlet and Pace petrolium. At least when he owned the petrol company, he also owned Aston Martin...
Likes someone said, it is not the petrol companies that contribute most to the price petrol, it is the government. As stated Shell etc drill, refine etc and should be able to make a few bob from it. It's a business after all. It is the wa*kers sat in 10 Downing Street and previous wan*kers that were sat in 10 Downing Street that make petrol expensive, and they have 
all to do with it apart from put obscene amounts of tax on it. As the car is seen as a neccesity in the US petrol is $1.50 (£1) per US gallon. So approxiamatley 20p per litre! I have some friends there and they are on the verge of civil war because its gone up 10p per litre! Somebody really wants to take Mr Blair and Mr Browns head from their up arses.
all to do with it apart from put obscene amounts of tax on it. As the car is seen as a neccesity in the US petrol is $1.50 (£1) per US gallon. So approxiamatley 20p per litre! I have some friends there and they are on the verge of civil war because its gone up 10p per litre! Somebody really wants to take Mr Blair and Mr Browns head from their up arses. Which would you prefer, 50p/litre on petrol or an increase on income tax? If the latter, then consider how many people who are exempt from income tax (like people on the dole and on low incomes) would no longer be filling the coffers. The Treasury would have to make that up by increasing income tax even further.
So the way I see it, £n million is going to be collected from us anyway. Putting it on petrol spreads it about as most people run a car. Its hard (or at least very inconvenient) to evade that tax.
However, take it off petrol and then recover it via direct taxation, which a proportion of the country are either exempt from or evade / avoid, and the honest law-abiding tax-paying citizen like you or I will end up paying their share as well. Net result - cheaper petrol, but financially worse off.
Just a thought.
So the way I see it, £n million is going to be collected from us anyway. Putting it on petrol spreads it about as most people run a car. Its hard (or at least very inconvenient) to evade that tax.
However, take it off petrol and then recover it via direct taxation, which a proportion of the country are either exempt from or evade / avoid, and the honest law-abiding tax-paying citizen like you or I will end up paying their share as well. Net result - cheaper petrol, but financially worse off.
Just a thought.
JonRB said: So the way I see it, £n million is going to be collected from us anyway. Putting it on petrol spreads it about as most people run a car. Its hard (or at least very inconvenient) to evade that tax.
And if you CAN evade it then you're quids in
I figured out that you'll save about 700 quid a year if you use SVO at 20p/litre as opposed to diesel at 80p/litre for about 10,000 miles a year.
Thats a nice holiday for one scuba diving in the red sea for a week.
Or you can fund the dole scroungers.
I know what I'll do
Andy
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