Living Dangerously
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pdv6

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16,442 posts

288 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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Apologies if this has been covered before...

I was watching a program on Discovery last night, called 'Living Dangerously' (or something similar) that dealt with the idea that humans are 'programmed' to take a certain amount of risk.

Lots of interesting stuff in the program, but one piece stood out for me:

A chap did a study of car accidents at unmanned level crossings in Canada, the kind where you have no warning lights or barriers, but then again there's only one or two trains per week.

The study found that 75% of drivers approached the crossings at a high enough speed that they couldn't possibly stop if a train was coming.

As an experiment, they cleared obstrucitons such as trees etc to give drivers a better view of oncoming trains, but then found that everybody approached the crossing at a higher speed.

The net result was no change - 75% of drivers were still unable to stop had there been a train coming!

So, my conclusion would be that instead of nannying everybody and trying to make the world risk-free, roads should be made so inherently dangerous that everybody has to take full responsibility for avoiding 'incidents'!

CarZee

13,382 posts

294 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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exactly - it seems counter intuitive, but that's humanity for you..

this is where the well worn solution of 'putting a big spike in the middle of the steering wheel' comes from.

gbgaffer

546 posts

297 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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If you want to make something safer make it more dangerous!

Mandate that all cars should have minimum 300HP, no safety equipment or driver aids and a body made of garden canes and stretched polythene and the roads would end up a lot safer (After the initial 'settling in' period when the brain dead remove themselves from the gene pool)

Imagine roads with only TVR's - one day - after the revolution!

Cheers

Graham

cotty

42,146 posts

311 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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So, my conclusion would be that instead of nannying everybody and trying to make the world risk-free, roads should be made so inherently dangerous that everybody has to take full responsibility for avoiding 'incidents'!


Didnt they try this is Scotland or somewhere. They took away all the road markings from a stretch of road and junction to make people think more. not sure if it worked.

apache

39,731 posts

311 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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there have been experiments where road markings and signs have been removed to prove this theory, it did work but no one has the balls to introduce it. It makes perfect sense to me that if you are travelling in an insulated environment you are not too bothered by whats outside. If I find myself hooning it a bit in the Griff I just picture the pathetic protection I have in a side impact and that calms me down sufficiently

Fatboy

8,267 posts

299 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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Didnt they try this is Scotland or somewhere. They took away all the road markings from a stretch of road and junction to make people think more. not sure if it worked.

Was on this site a while back - it was the netherlands IIRC

marki

15,763 posts

297 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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gbgaffer said:

Mandate that all cars should have minimum 300HP, no safety equipment or driver aids and a body made of garden canes and stretched polythene and the roads would end up a lot safer
Cheers

Graham


But TVR pretty much do that already

campbell

2,500 posts

310 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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I like to live life on the edge........edge of the computer chair, but when i get into my car that is a different matter
Sound like a good program to watch some time

Deester

1,607 posts

287 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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So, my conclusion would be that instead of nannying everybody and trying to make the world risk-free, roads should be made so inherently dangerous that everybody has to take full responsibility for avoiding 'incidents'!


Hey, its works fir Russia!

mel

10,168 posts

302 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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Ok as a quick gauge to Phers percieved acceptability of "danger" what other dangerous sports have the average sports car driver been involved in ????

I'll kick the ball off with:
Sky Diving
Cave Diving
Superbike Racing
Ocean Yacht Racing

CarZee

13,382 posts

294 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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mel said:Sky Diving
Cave Diving
you must need a much smaller parachute for the latter..?

gbgaffer

546 posts

297 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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mel said: Ok as a quick gauge to Phers percieved acceptability of "danger" what other dangerous sports have the average sports car driver been involved in ????

I'll kick the ball off with:
Sky Diving
Cave Diving
Superbike Racing
Ocean Yacht Racing


Can only speak for Yacht racing and I certainly do not classify it as a 'dangerous sport'. Lack of anticipation, preparation and complacency are the only dangers - same as the rest of life really!

Cheers

Graham

andyf007

863 posts

285 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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CarZee said:

mel said:Sky Diving
Cave Diving
you must need a much smaller parachute for the latter..?


Or a very wet cave......

Oh god this is all going to go Mungo

Andy

incorrigible

13,668 posts

288 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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I was a motorcycle courier for a fortnight, probably the most dangerous thing I've ever done

Other than that
Caving
Rock climbing
Skiing (worst injury)
Mountain biking

Pretty standard stuff, and extreme ironing of course

pdv6

Original Poster:

16,442 posts

288 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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CarZee said:

mel said:Sky Diving
Cave Diving
you must need a much smaller parachute for the latter..?

Or if you forget an important piece of equipment when trying the former, it will quickly become the latter.

(ok ok, 'crater diving' then... )

moleamol

15,887 posts

290 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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Downhill mountain biking (the proper stuff, not riding a mountain bike down a hill )
Street BMX
Bungee up and down

Really want to try base jumping, just can't really be bothered with all the 'normal' skydiving to be able to do it.

neil_cardiff

17,113 posts

291 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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moleamol said: Downhill mountain biking (the proper stuff, not riding a mountain bike down a hill )



I have the scars...

apache

39,731 posts

311 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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freefall basket weaving and indoor ballooning do it for me

gnomesmith

2,458 posts

303 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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gbgaffer said: Can only speak for Yacht racing and I certainly do not classify it as a 'dangerous sport'.
Graham




Are you kidding, wear the wrong sort of deck shoes and you could easily spill your gin and tonic. All it would need would be for one of the hired crew to slip on the lemon slice and you could be late for dinner that evening. You cave divers don't know you're born.



M@H

11,298 posts

299 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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Surfing.
Grass Boarding.
Rock Climbing.
Not putting my dirty clothes in the laundry bin or knowing how the washing machine works.. (risking life and limb there )

Matt

>> Edited by M@H on Tuesday 21st January 17:01