How to avoid SPECS, ANPR and congestion Charge .
Discussion
Done a bit looking around at various ANPR recognition systems, and finally managed to download a demo.
ANPR works by looking for the rectangular borders of a numberplate as a reference and then trying to id the number/letter combinations inside.
So far, theres been no real way to avoid the unwanted attentions of specs and anpr in general.
Now there is.
Im sure Madcop will confirm that its illegal to interfere with the space/height and other dimensions of your plate, therfore laying yourself wide open for a charge of some sort.
Ive heard some ideas regarding the use of more than one plate on the front of the car to confuse the likes of specs.
This is all very well, but say you move your numberplate to the right of the bumper,(legal) and add another plate to the left bumper with say a message, possibly a name on it?
As far as i know thats a little, but only a little iffy.
The solution?
Use the SAME numberplate on the left of the car too.
Its not illegal to display the correct number more than twice on the same vehicle, and this where anpr falls flat on its face.
From the tests ive seen and done myself using bona- fide recogntion software, it just cant make out where to start.
Ok In the case of anpr for the police, theyll have an operator to maually check it over, and possibly in specs too.
Congestion charging is another matter, as its totally automated, so theres no one to view the unrecognized plates.
Apparently, if enough people do this, theyd have to analyse at least 45000 plates by hand per day!!!
Not gonna happen is it.
Hope this sparks a good debate.
ANPR works by looking for the rectangular borders of a numberplate as a reference and then trying to id the number/letter combinations inside.
So far, theres been no real way to avoid the unwanted attentions of specs and anpr in general.
Now there is.
Im sure Madcop will confirm that its illegal to interfere with the space/height and other dimensions of your plate, therfore laying yourself wide open for a charge of some sort.
Ive heard some ideas regarding the use of more than one plate on the front of the car to confuse the likes of specs.
This is all very well, but say you move your numberplate to the right of the bumper,(legal) and add another plate to the left bumper with say a message, possibly a name on it?
As far as i know thats a little, but only a little iffy.
The solution?
Use the SAME numberplate on the left of the car too.
Its not illegal to display the correct number more than twice on the same vehicle, and this where anpr falls flat on its face.
From the tests ive seen and done myself using bona- fide recogntion software, it just cant make out where to start.
Ok In the case of anpr for the police, theyll have an operator to maually check it over, and possibly in specs too.
Congestion charging is another matter, as its totally automated, so theres no one to view the unrecognized plates.
Apparently, if enough people do this, theyd have to analyse at least 45000 plates by hand per day!!!
Not gonna happen is it.
Hope this sparks a good debate.
I've been in a meeting for most of the day with a telephony supplier who do this voice recognition on the phone business.
One of their competitors got the gig to supply the automated telephony for Congestion Charging.
The system was put in a couple of weeks ago and is all live and the telephone number is plastered up and down all the major routes in and out of London so you can prepay for the charge.
How many calls do you reckon they have recieved so far?
Yep, thats right, not a single one, no one has even called looking for cheap theatre tickets, its a £500,000 telephone system being utilised by absolutely no one. What a complete joke.
Matt.
>> Edited by plotloss on Friday 24th January 15:25
One of their competitors got the gig to supply the automated telephony for Congestion Charging.
The system was put in a couple of weeks ago and is all live and the telephone number is plastered up and down all the major routes in and out of London so you can prepay for the charge.
How many calls do you reckon they have recieved so far?
Yep, thats right, not a single one, no one has even called looking for cheap theatre tickets, its a £500,000 telephone system being utilised by absolutely no one. What a complete joke.
Matt.
>> Edited by plotloss on Friday 24th January 15:25
If it's the corners of the plate that give it a reference, why not leave the plate alone ... thereby staying completely legal ... but alter the bodywork behind it a bit to disguise the corner's positions? E.g. if you made a mounting plate with oval ends out of the same material as the plate, then stuck the plate on that, then bolted the whole thing to the car ... I wonder if that would be enough to confuse the reader?
Might look completly daft
Might look completly daft
mel said: but on last nights london news they said the call centre (in coventry) was handleing 7000 calls a day and rising, with people pre paying
Just spoke to someone I know who works at the call centre (run by Capita, the company who used to run some local government in London), and they are not particularly busy in general right now...
So the first few years of congestion charges will pay for all the contractors they are using...
Maybe they've forgotten to plug their modem into the phone line?
plotloss said: The system was put in a couple of weeks ago and is all live and the telephone number is plastered up and down all the major routes in and out of London so you can prepay for the charge.
How many calls do you reckon they have recieved so far?
Yep, thats right, not a single one, no one has even called looking for cheap theatre tickets, its a £500,000 telephone system being utilised by absolutely no one. What a complete joke.
Matt.
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