Computer Security (Physical!)
Discussion
Hi All,
I need to call on your collective brains for a while.
I'm installing 8 pcs in an old youth centre/estate hall as part of a regeneration project and as such they will need to be EXTREMELY secure. Anyone got any ideas of what I can house them in? Preferably metal or reinforced wood structures that can be bolted in place with locakble doors.
Then I've just got to think of a way to stop them stealing monitors/tft's!
I need to call on your collective brains for a while.
I'm installing 8 pcs in an old youth centre/estate hall as part of a regeneration project and as such they will need to be EXTREMELY secure. Anyone got any ideas of what I can house them in? Preferably metal or reinforced wood structures that can be bolted in place with locakble doors.
Then I've just got to think of a way to stop them stealing monitors/tft's!
try here for some ideas
www.safemark.co.uk/Pages/what_protect2c.htm
either that or a big german shephard
www.safemark.co.uk/Pages/what_protect2c.htm
either that or a big german shephard
plipton said: Can you not network them on one server and have just the NTPs, monitors and keyboard in the actual room?
That way there's less for the little bleeders to pinch.
There is a requirement for Scanning etc and my current knowledge is that Terminal Server etc all run at 256 colours.
We did initially think about putting EVERYTHING off site bar network terminals, and just having an online server but its quite prohibitive cost wise
All ideas welcome - also anyone who has a workforce of thugs who can install IT equipment would be nice
Marcos maniac said: try here for some ideas
www.safemark.co.uk/Pages/what_protect2c.htm
either that or a big german shephard
Spot on MM.
Big german shepard is no probs if needed as one of my customers trains security dogs for the
/MOD and various other outfits!
AlunR said:
Marcos maniac said: try here for some ideas
www.safemark.co.uk/Pages/what_protect2c.htm
either that or a big german shephard
Spot on MM.
Big german shepard is no probs if needed as one of my customers trains security dogs for the
bugger I was trying to tout for some business
on the remote base unit theme you could try using lindy extenders i believe they do on now that has a usb port for the scanner.
you put all the pase units in one room and then with a host and a remote extender and a bit of cat 5 put the kbd,mouse,monitor and scanner in the other room.
lindy.co.uk i think..
we use them alot for museum exhibitions...
you put all the pase units in one room and then with a host and a remote extender and a bit of cat 5 put the kbd,mouse,monitor and scanner in the other room.
lindy.co.uk i think..
we use them alot for museum exhibitions...
On the monitor front possible security measures:
You can get chains for monitors that bolt through the bottom of the main case I believe.
Secondly you could deface them. We did in a school. Take one ingraver tool and engrave a letter symbol whatever in the face of the monitor casing. Making it effectively cr@p to sell on.
No Ingraver, You can also spray paint the cases (take off the casing via screws at back.) Or use masks on the fornt part.
Finally postcode them (ingraver/permenant marker) so its obvious who it belongs to.
Just a few thoughts.
You can get chains for monitors that bolt through the bottom of the main case I believe.
Secondly you could deface them. We did in a school. Take one ingraver tool and engrave a letter symbol whatever in the face of the monitor casing. Making it effectively cr@p to sell on.
No Ingraver, You can also spray paint the cases (take off the casing via screws at back.) Or use masks on the fornt part.
Finally postcode them (ingraver/permenant marker) so its obvious who it belongs to.
Just a few thoughts.
woof Woof 
ere is he calling me a dog 
I've used Unicol cabs in the past. Try a Video locking cabinet screwed to the bench containing the PC with the monitor bolted down to the top of the unit. PC can be bolted to the back of the unit to deter people attempting to liberate during use when the front is open.
Not cheap (£156 + vat) but well built in tough steel. Pic here www.unicol.co.uk/images/main_benchcabinet.gif
Look on the main site www.unicol.co.uk for a bench or wall locking cabinet under products/spare parts and accessories.
Shame you have to do this - trouble is they can and will nick absolutely anything - even stuff that is defaced. Making it difficult for the little bar stewards is the only answer IMHO.
Cheers
>> Edited by MikeN on Tuesday 11th February 12:33
Not cheap (£156 + vat) but well built in tough steel. Pic here www.unicol.co.uk/images/main_benchcabinet.gif
Look on the main site www.unicol.co.uk for a bench or wall locking cabinet under products/spare parts and accessories.
Shame you have to do this - trouble is they can and will nick absolutely anything - even stuff that is defaced. Making it difficult for the little bar stewards is the only answer IMHO.
Cheers
>> Edited by MikeN on Tuesday 11th February 12:33
I must admit I'm not entirely convinced of the merits of some of these projects myself. This one at least is being done in conjunction with the tenants association etc.
One project in north london cost the EU/Tax payer well over 50K in IT equipment alone (refurbished building, AV equipment, security etc) then they found that no training company would touch it as their staff were too scared to go in. Eventually some company took it over and just stripped the IT/AV equipment.
One project in north london cost the EU/Tax payer well over 50K in IT equipment alone (refurbished building, AV equipment, security etc) then they found that no training company would touch it as their staff were too scared to go in. Eventually some company took it over and just stripped the IT/AV equipment.
We use Top-tec cages for our base units. They are very sucure, bolted to the table but you can still access the drives (to use not to nick). These cages are certified by the LPCB (Loss prevention certification board). Not sure of any contact details but I'm sure a quick google will find the info you need.
we've been done before and no ammount of bolting them down stopped the B&^%$$"s nicking them.
however, we installed a smokecloak and that worked a treat. Once the alarm trips the room is filled with a gel based smoke so dense you cant see 1. what you're trying to nick and 2. how to get it out, its really dense - you cant see a thing in it. it works off a modified smoke sensor to keep the density up until its reset and wil fill a large room for a couple of days if need be, the smoke is geletin based too so it does no damage and leaves no trace. its brill! it also has the advantage that if they cant see the exit they flap and try to get away and they dont know what the gas is.
www.smokecloak.com
>> Edited by lotusfan on Tuesday 11th February 15:04
however, we installed a smokecloak and that worked a treat. Once the alarm trips the room is filled with a gel based smoke so dense you cant see 1. what you're trying to nick and 2. how to get it out, its really dense - you cant see a thing in it. it works off a modified smoke sensor to keep the density up until its reset and wil fill a large room for a couple of days if need be, the smoke is geletin based too so it does no damage and leaves no trace. its brill! it also has the advantage that if they cant see the exit they flap and try to get away and they dont know what the gas is.
www.smokecloak.com
>> Edited by lotusfan on Tuesday 11th February 15:04
Bet this plays havoc with smoke alarms sprinklers and fire brigade call out systems though. Which I assume this sort of builing will have to have. Also assuming these machines will be completely publicly accessible.
lotusfan said: we've been done before and no ammount of bolting them down stopped the B&^%$$"s nicking them.
however, we installed a smokecloak and that worked a treat. Once the alarm trips the room is filled with a gel based smoke so dense you cant see 1. what you're trying to nick and 2. how to get it out, its really dense - you cant see a thing in it. it works off a modified smoke sensor to keep the density up until its reset and wil fill a large room for a couple of days if need be, the smoke is geletin based too so it does no damage and leaves no trace. its brill! it also has the advantage that if they cant see the exit they flap and try to get away and they dont know what the gas is.
www.smokecloak.com
>> Edited by lotusfan on Tuesday 11th February 15:04
The LPCB approved cages are pretty good. The ones we use would need two people to carry the system any distance, even if they managed to break it loose from it's bolts. You would need a profesional lock pick or angle grinder to remove the system from the cage without a key.
The guy I use has had very few loses and they have mainly been where they were able to lever the system out of the concrete (basically the concrete gave way not the bolts or the cage)
Add some form of security/postcode etching to help find it if it does go walkies.
At the end of the day someone can always nick it (or if they don't have the patience destroy the system) you can only make it very difficult and noisy.
Bet this plays havoc with smoke alarms sprinklers and fire brigade call out systems though.
doesn't affect them as its a gel base and sensors detect paticulate smoke. lots of places using them now without problems and theres nor much more difficult than trying to nick something you cant see.
>> Edited by lotusfan on Wednesday 12th February 12:31
Nice. I didn't realise there was a difference in the type of smoke that was detected. I guess they only work if your burglar alarm goess off or can you set them to go off if something is moved/disturbed? I have heard a number of cases of alarms not going off so I would probably choose belt a braces (ie cages and smoke) if it were my decision.
lotusfan said:doesn't affect them as its a gel base and sensors detect paticulate smoke. lots of places using them now without problems and theres nor much more difficult than trying to nick something you cant see.
Bet this plays havoc with smoke alarms sprinklers and fire brigade call out systems though.
>> Edited by lotusfan on Wednesday 12th February 12:31
>> Edited by icamm on Wednesday 12th February 13:36
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