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Pookie

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Tuesday 11th February 2003
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USA needed a pen that would work in zero gravity for their Apollo missions.Some say it cost 3 million dollars to develop.
Russia had the same problem with their space program, so what did they do?
Gave every cosmonaut a pencil to write with.


edited to add a link have a read of : www.8march2003.com

dam story kept me up for hours reading the site. on another forum I belong to there has been quite alot of speculation and research done into this site, a few strange things have cropped up.

>>> Edited by Pookie on Tuesday 11th February 06:10

lotusguy

1,798 posts

285 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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USA needed a pen that would work in zero gravity for their Apollo missions.Some say it cost 3 million dollars to develop.
Russia had the same problem with their space program, so what did they do?
Gave every cosmonaut a pencil to write with.


edited to add a link have a read of : www.8march2003.com

dam story kept me up for hours reading the site. on another forum I belong to there has been quite alot of speculation and research done into this site, a few strange things have cropped up.

>>> Edited by Pookie on Tuesday 11th February 06:10


Pookie,

This is a classic example of an Urban Legend which reaches such proportion that it assumes the mantle of being true.

In point of fact, it is 100% Totally False! The pen to which you refer is now marketed worldwide as the Fisher Space Pen. This pen was developed on 1965 by it's namesake Paul C. Fisher, who did so with no mandate or request from NASA.

Until that time, NASA Astronauts, (as did Soviet Cosmonauts), used standard lead pencils as writing instruments. Fisher reasoned that these were a hazard as the leads could break and float free about the spacecraft posing a danger to the crew (flying into an eye etc.) and to the spacecraft (because they were flammable and could short out electrical connections).

So, at a cost of $1,000,000, Fisher developed an all metal ballpoint pen with a pressurized ink cartridge which allowed writing at any angle. He then sent some samples to NASA, who tested them and found them to be a better writing instrument than the lead pencils which had been previously supplied to the astronauts. Fisher sold NASA 400 pens at the price of $2.95 each or a total of $590.00. No development costs were ever born by NASA. Eventually, even Soviet Cosmonauts were equipped with the Fisher Space Pen

I hope this alerts people not to take everything they read as absolute fact before researching it carefully.

The Internet can be a wonderful thing, it can also spread much misinformation and lead people to make poor, uninformed decisions. For more information regarding this Urban Legend check out the link below. Happy Motoring! Jim'85TE

[Url]www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.htm[/Url]

>> Edited by lotusguy on Tuesday 11th February 07:58

Superflid

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Eric Mc

125,342 posts

293 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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What is true is that NASA did develop for Apollo a clockwork shaver which swept up the bristles. NASA were paranoid about particles drifting behind panels and shorting out electrical circuits - especially after the Apollo 1 fire. However, astronauts found that a traditional safety razor and cream was just as effective in keeping the bristles from floating around.
I'm not sure how muchwas spent on the shaver but it was not US$ millions.

Pookie

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72 posts

286 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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I hope this alerts people not to take everything they read as absolute fact before researching it carefully.


It was not meant to be put on here as fact, (i know all about the real "space pen" like it matters), it was meant to be funny you know like ha ha! dam Americans etc.

and the 8march thing was posted just because of the writing, the guy/girl has a talent for creative writing, if he/she isn’t a professional already.


I hope this alerts people not to take everything they read absolutely seriously with out first considering other possibilities carefully.

Eric Mc

125,342 posts

293 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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Ah - but it's only funny if it' true - which it's not - so it's not that funny. Whereas, the shaver story IS true - but still not that funny.

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lotusguy

1,798 posts

285 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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Pookie said:

I hope this alerts people not to take everything they read as absolute fact before researching it carefully.


It was not meant to be put on here as fact, (i know all about the real "space pen" like it matters), it was meant to be funny you know like ha ha! dam Americans etc.

and the 8march thing was posted just because of the writing, the guy/girl has a talent for creative writing, if he/she isn’t a professional already.


I hope this alerts people not to take everything they read absolutely seriously with out first considering other possibilities carefully.


Pookie,

Please don't misunderstand my intent. Not everyone is as intelligent or well inforned as you are.

To post something like this without a disclaimer can lead many people to believe something which simply isn't true. Many pieces of information purported as fact or truth are often merely partially true. In the case of your initial posting, there is very little truth.

Being a former US Navy Fleet Aviator, and a Business Executive, I have to live in a world of fact as the decisions I have to make can have a great impact on people. Many believe that the world contains enough ambiguity without us adding to it.

An underlying message that America is foolish and wasteful, while the Soviets were practical and innovative comes through in your writing. If this is the message you hoped to convey, surely there is enough factual evidence to make your case. Happy Motoring! Jim'85TE



>> Edited by lotusguy on Tuesday 11th February 16:37

griff2be

5,105 posts

295 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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lotusguy said: Being a former US Navy Fleet Aviator, and a Business Executive, I have to live in a world of fact as the decisions I have to make can have a great impact on people.


Bloody hell. That told us!!

flasher

9,310 posts

312 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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griff2be said:

lotusguy said: Being a former US Navy Fleet Aviator, and a Business Executive, I have to live in a world of fact as the decisions I have to make can have a great impact on people.


Bloody hell. That told us!!



Yeah, it told us that this big head has an ego the size of Arizona.....

Agent006

12,058 posts

292 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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Being a former US Navy Fleet Aviator...


Why is it that ex-forces peope always tell you about it at every opportunity? More so with the T.A.

flasher

9,310 posts

312 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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"Being a former McDonalds employee, and a waste disposal assistant, I have to live in a world of fact as the decisions I have to make can have a great impact on people."



>> Edited by flasher on Tuesday 11th February 20:02

Ballistic Banana

14,706 posts

295 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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Also once being an Shoe Shop Assistant i really think that i had a very important impact on peoples lives.
Especially Stand up comedians

BB

mel

10,168 posts

303 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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coming from sCUNThorpe I haven't a clue even how to write but one thing that strikes me is if the lead in Mr US of A's pencil is such a hazard what the fcuk is wrong with a crayon.

flasher

9,310 posts

312 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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Don't think they can trust Americans in space anymore, they might dissappear up their own black holes if they are as anal as this guy....

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mel

10,168 posts

303 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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Just think you two it cost the spams more money to develop a biro than it did Mr W your new cars

Fer

7,771 posts

308 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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Since when did we ever let the truth get in the way of entertainment? :tonguefirmlyincheek:

bennno

15,133 posts

297 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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it probably started with the thought that pencils are sharp dangerous implements, and therefore american astronaughts could not be trusted.

we have a company over here that spent billions developing a writing instrument especially for george bush, its called a crayola. writes on everything and doesnt require supervision

bennno

>> Edited by bennno on Tuesday 11th February 23:13

bennno

15,133 posts

297 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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mel said: Just think you two it cost the spams more money to develop a biro than it did Mr W your new cars


hey mel, i am not sure if thats a good or a bad thing come to think of it

bennno

mel

10,168 posts

303 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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"being a former James Bond villan i live in a fictious world of exageration and bullshit", hey Mr lotusguy have we met before ???

Fer

7,771 posts

308 months

Tuesday 11th February 2003
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Hey Mel, play nice! After all, they did win the last world war for us!
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