Asylum seekers win ruling
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Yhanks to the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2779343.stm
A group of six asylum seekers has won its High Court challenge against new rules denying them housing and benefits.
The High Court on Wednesday blocked new Home Office rules stripping late claimants for asylum of the right to state-funded food and shelter.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2779343.stm
A group of six asylum seekers has won its High Court challenge against new rules denying them housing and benefits.
The High Court on Wednesday blocked new Home Office rules stripping late claimants for asylum of the right to state-funded food and shelter.
JohnL said: Well - if you deny them access to state funded food and shelter, bearing in mind that they aren't allowed to work unless/until they are actually granted asylum (and many/most of them want to), they are a wee bit short of options.
They can always fcuk off back to where they came from.
:imastolerantasthenextmanbutgiveusabreak:
The 
from the refugee support organisation is mind-blowing.
"Refugee's are becoming increasingly impoverished." Fcuk me i thought that was a default pre-requisite for being a refugee.
These whoolly headed muppets are toooooo close to the action and need some time away to regain their perspective.
It's a shame the same amount of time, money and effort wasn't put into caring for the existing homeless, abused and less fortunate in our society.
Ohh sorry that's not in the media eye at the moment is it.
from the refugee support organisation is mind-blowing. "Refugee's are becoming increasingly impoverished." Fcuk me i thought that was a default pre-requisite for being a refugee.
These whoolly headed muppets are toooooo close to the action and need some time away to regain their perspective.
It's a shame the same amount of time, money and effort wasn't put into caring for the existing homeless, abused and less fortunate in our society.
Ohh sorry that's not in the media eye at the moment is it.
paul-b said:
JohnL said: Well - if you deny them access to state funded food and shelter, bearing in mind that they aren't allowed to work unless/until they are actually granted asylum (and many/most of them want to), they are a wee bit short of options.
They can always fcuk off back to where they came from.
:imastolerantasthenextmanbutgiveusabreak:
Yeah true but what I was trying to get at is, they're here. So if we don't feed them and house them, or allow them the means to feed and house themselves, then their only option is to nick stuff - which isn't really in anyone's interest.
Whether or not they should be here is a different topic (no, don't start, aaarrrrrggghhhh
).I'd like to see draconian enforcement of an 'Anyone who comes through a safe country gets deported straight back to your original country' policy. Thats what really hacks me off; if they were really fleeing persecution they wouldn't bother travelling all the way to soft-touch Britain, they would stop at the first safe country they came to.
AlexH said: I'd like to see draconian enforcement of an 'Anyone who comes through a safe country gets deported straight back to your original country' policy. Thats what really hacks me off; if they were really fleeing persecution they wouldn't bother travelling all the way to soft-touch Britain, they would stop at the first safe country they came to.
I'd have to agree with that one.
AFAIK there are lots of ways in which almost anyone can legally come to the UK, including getting a 2-year work permit fairly easily. You can then apply for a resident permit (which is far from automatic admittedly). And the amount of money these people pay to the trafficers who carry them - would pay for the airfare and six months' plus food and roof.
Hi,
I've watched these threads with interest to see how you are reacting to this recent influx of immigration, since it's always been present in my country.
The key is to assist these people to assimilate in as short a time as possible so that they too can become loyal, productive Britons. Policies should be geared to see this happening, and resonsibility placed on the immigrants to achieve this. But, you will find that the first generation will have great difficulty, as would you if you immigrated to a strange land. The hope will lie in the second generation.
Here in the states, each of the various groups reserves a day where they honor their ancestral roots, whether it be St. Patrick's Day, Columbus Day, Sven Skarnitaag, St. Stanislov's Day and the like. The rest of the time, the majority of these people consider themselves Americans. It's not perfect by any stertch, but it does by in large work. Those groups who refuse or fail to assimilate, do not seem to achieve the same benefits and happiness...Jim'85TE
I've watched these threads with interest to see how you are reacting to this recent influx of immigration, since it's always been present in my country.
The key is to assist these people to assimilate in as short a time as possible so that they too can become loyal, productive Britons. Policies should be geared to see this happening, and resonsibility placed on the immigrants to achieve this. But, you will find that the first generation will have great difficulty, as would you if you immigrated to a strange land. The hope will lie in the second generation.
Here in the states, each of the various groups reserves a day where they honor their ancestral roots, whether it be St. Patrick's Day, Columbus Day, Sven Skarnitaag, St. Stanislov's Day and the like. The rest of the time, the majority of these people consider themselves Americans. It's not perfect by any stertch, but it does by in large work. Those groups who refuse or fail to assimilate, do not seem to achieve the same benefits and happiness...Jim'85TE
The issue isn't strictly "immigration", it's people making their way here, bypassing official channels, and then claiming to have been persecuted in order to be granted (eventually) refugee status and the right to remain here.
In the meantime (while their application is processed, usually >1 year), they stay here and live off state benefits as they are not permitted to work during that time. Thus they are preceived as scroungers off the taxpayer.
Most people have no issue with legitimate immigration. Many people object to the UK becoming a magnet for people who do not qualify for legitimate immigration to come here and exploit our perceived (and actual) weak system that makes it very unlikely they will be prevented from staying.
Most of the vitriol being spouted would be better directed at politicians rather than the individuals in question.
>> Edited by JohnL on Thursday 20th February 15:37
In the meantime (while their application is processed, usually >1 year), they stay here and live off state benefits as they are not permitted to work during that time. Thus they are preceived as scroungers off the taxpayer.
Most people have no issue with legitimate immigration. Many people object to the UK becoming a magnet for people who do not qualify for legitimate immigration to come here and exploit our perceived (and actual) weak system that makes it very unlikely they will be prevented from staying.
Most of the vitriol being spouted would be better directed at politicians rather than the individuals in question.
>> Edited by JohnL on Thursday 20th February 15:37
lotusguy said: Hi,
I've watched these threads with interest to see how you are reacting to this recent influx of immigration, since it's always been present in my country.
The key is to assist these people to assimilate in as short a time as possible so that they too can become loyal, productive Britons. Policies should be geared to see this happening, and resonsibility placed on the immigrants to achieve this. But, you will find that the first generation will have great difficulty, as would you if you immigrated to a strange land. The hope will lie in the second generation.
Here in the states, each of the various groups reserves a day where they honor their ancestral roots, whether it be St. Patrick's Day, Columbus Day, Sven Skarnitaag, St. Stanislov's Day and the like. The rest of the time, the majority of these people consider themselves Americans. It's not perfect by any stertch, but it does by in large work. Those groups who refuse or fail to assimilate, do not seem to achieve the same benefits and happiness...Jim'85TE
Valid points but there is one hugely significant differential, if I may?
The USA land mass is, well, MASSIVE!
The great problem within these shores is a relatively high influx of people relative to an already over- populated square acreage.
It cannot continue and nobody should be too surprised when it kicks off royally.
I know very few people from any background who are not thoroughly dissillusioned with the situation. Some, vociferously so.
JohL and Desrestrictor,
I hear what you're saying. JohnL, we have the same situation here in that it's estimated that there are 9 million people in this country illegally. Our laws too seem to favor them. Once they actually set foot in the country (I mean physically step on US soil) they cannot be sent back until a formal hearing is conducted. With an 18-24 month backlog, many of these people simply disappear never to be seen again. They buy false documentation and live here for years.
Desrestrictor, it's true we are way more massive in land area than the UK, but so much is uninhabited these people do not strike out as settlers to these lands, instead they live in the established urban areas increasing crime and further straining the infrastructure and services. Services which the taxpayer has to pay for.
But, what are you going to do? Unless you are willing, as a society, to physically hunt these people down and expel them, you have to learn to live with it. The one thing, in both our cases, is certain. The life they find here, even on the run so to speak is better than the one they left or they wouldn't be here...Jim'85TE
I hear what you're saying. JohnL, we have the same situation here in that it's estimated that there are 9 million people in this country illegally. Our laws too seem to favor them. Once they actually set foot in the country (I mean physically step on US soil) they cannot be sent back until a formal hearing is conducted. With an 18-24 month backlog, many of these people simply disappear never to be seen again. They buy false documentation and live here for years.
Desrestrictor, it's true we are way more massive in land area than the UK, but so much is uninhabited these people do not strike out as settlers to these lands, instead they live in the established urban areas increasing crime and further straining the infrastructure and services. Services which the taxpayer has to pay for.
But, what are you going to do? Unless you are willing, as a society, to physically hunt these people down and expel them, you have to learn to live with it. The one thing, in both our cases, is certain. The life they find here, even on the run so to speak is better than the one they left or they wouldn't be here...Jim'85TE
... and is it still feasible to 'stake a claim' in the USA? Certainly as far as our little island is concerned, you can't simply plant a flag and claim entitlement to a plot. Even the allegedly-open countryside is owned by SOMEONE: it was the actions of a few about 100 years ago that effectively forced access to much of the hills etc. But it's still someone's property (as if if anyone could claim the right to own a planet).
Ian
Ian
Jim'85TE - as far as Britain's concerned, the problem we have is our collective weakness psychologically, as a society, in the face of an increasingly vitriolic, dogmatically anti-establishment, leftist schism within the liberal and centre-left ranks, which makes our nation all the weaker.
Our politicians, governed by the aforementioned commie goon squad's buddies in the equally (generally) left-wing apologist dominated media, panic stricken, pander to every minority interest and 'exception to the rule thesis' promulgated thus and this is what we have; a nation where a disturbing proportion of the populace appear to profess (at least publicly) sentiments which continually serve to undermine both the national interest and it's unity.
On a TV programme yesterday evening, 'Question Time' (you may know it: table of assorted luvvies from the arts, a leftie, someone even more unreasonable and stoopid, a hapless Tory and token comedian who proceed to harangue each other and be derided by an audience full of carefully chosen Guardian (i.e. sandal wearing)newspaper readers with one member of the BNP thrown in to represent the ignorant gits who disagree with THEIR unquestionably (sanctimonious) convictions..?), that veteran whining appeaser and thespian, Vanessa Redgrave, demonstrated this intolerant, over emotional illiberalist bully type debating tactic by continually talking over the requisite Tory grandee who made futile attempts to make a protectionist case - it was idealogical folly speak of the worst 1960s Berkley campus hippie d1ckweed variety...and being 'anti' is these days all the rage within this realm.
We are full and frankly, I'm on the verge of a D-Fence special, if you know what I mean?
I'm far from alone in my dismay but it's a sentiment rarely heard yet a belief oft belittled by the enemies of this particular state.
Chin, chin.
Our politicians, governed by the aforementioned commie goon squad's buddies in the equally (generally) left-wing apologist dominated media, panic stricken, pander to every minority interest and 'exception to the rule thesis' promulgated thus and this is what we have; a nation where a disturbing proportion of the populace appear to profess (at least publicly) sentiments which continually serve to undermine both the national interest and it's unity.
On a TV programme yesterday evening, 'Question Time' (you may know it: table of assorted luvvies from the arts, a leftie, someone even more unreasonable and stoopid, a hapless Tory and token comedian who proceed to harangue each other and be derided by an audience full of carefully chosen Guardian (i.e. sandal wearing)newspaper readers with one member of the BNP thrown in to represent the ignorant gits who disagree with THEIR unquestionably (sanctimonious) convictions..?), that veteran whining appeaser and thespian, Vanessa Redgrave, demonstrated this intolerant, over emotional illiberalist bully type debating tactic by continually talking over the requisite Tory grandee who made futile attempts to make a protectionist case - it was idealogical folly speak of the worst 1960s Berkley campus hippie d1ckweed variety...and being 'anti' is these days all the rage within this realm.
We are full and frankly, I'm on the verge of a D-Fence special, if you know what I mean?
I'm far from alone in my dismay but it's a sentiment rarely heard yet a belief oft belittled by the enemies of this particular state.
Chin, chin.
wedg1e said: ... and is it still feasible to 'stake a claim' in the USA? Certainly as far as our little island is concerned, you can't simply plant a flag and claim entitlement to a plot. Even the allegedly-open countryside is owned by SOMEONE: it was the actions of a few about 100 years ago that effectively forced access to much of the hills etc. But it's still someone's property (as if if anyone could claim the right to own a planet).
Ian
Ian,
The same holds true here. Homesteading or Claimsteading as it was known ceased to exist around the turn of the last century (1912)...Jim'85TE
derestrictor said: Jim'85TE - as far as Britain's concerned, the problem we have is our collective weakness psychologically, as a society, in the face of an increasingly vitriolic, dogmatically anti-establishment, leftist schism within the liberal and centre-left ranks, which makes our nation all the weaker.
Our politicians, governed by the aforementioned commie goon squad's buddies in the equally (generally) left-wing apologist dominated media, panic stricken, pander to every minority interest and 'exception to the rule thesis' promulgated thus and this is what we have; a nation where a disturbing proportion of the populace appear to profess (at least publicly) sentiments which continually serve to undermine both the national interest and it's unity.
On a TV programme yesterday evening, 'Question Time' (you may know it: table of assorted luvvies from the arts, a leftie, someone even more unreasonable and stoopid, a hapless Tory and token comedian who proceed to harangue each other and be derided by an audience full of carefully chosen Guardian (i.e. sandal wearing)newspaper readers with one member of the BNP thrown in to represent the ignorant gits who disagree with THEIR unquestionably (sanctimonious) convictions..?), that veteran whining appeaser and thespian, Vanessa Redgrave, demonstrated this intolerant, over emotional illiberalist bully type debating tactic by continually talking over the requisite Tory grandee who made futile attempts to make a protectionist case - it was idealogical folly speak of the worst 1960s Berkley campus hippie d1ckweed variety...and being 'anti' is these days all the rage within this realm.
We are full and frankly, I'm on the verge of a D-Fence special, if you know what I mean?
I'm far from alone in my dismay but it's a sentiment rarely heard yet a belief oft belittled by the enemies of this particular state.
Chin, chin.
I hear you....sigh...Jim'85TE
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