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I havnt been paid for 2 and a half years 
but dont get me started else ill probably post a rant so long the database wont be able to cope.
But if anyone has any IT related work
contract, temp, perm etc. Especially programming (PHP, html, SQL etc.) Id be more than happy to join in. 
I will be happy to send anyone my CV if you email me.
>> Edited by Pookie on Thursday 20th February 22:05
but dont get me started else ill probably post a rant so long the database wont be able to cope.
But if anyone has any IT related work
contract, temp, perm etc. Especially programming (PHP, html, SQL etc.) Id be more than happy to join in. I will be happy to send anyone my CV if you email me. >> Edited by Pookie on Thursday 20th February 22:05
Work 12-15 hours a day, don;t get paid that much and obviously love it 
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I have a good Cambridge degree, and a bag full of relevant experience. I will conntinue to moan about the plight of engineers (read welath generators) in our society, but if I really wanted to do something else, then I would.
If a new car is more important than enjoying work, then change jobs.
It appears to have been lost in our society, but employers pay employees to do a job. If, as an amployee, you are not happy, then surely you should find an alternative employer. If this continues, the employer will have no staff, and have to trade in the Jag for a Scoda.
I don't understand the arguement that goes along the lines I am good at what I do therefore I am worth more. If you are worth more, go and get it. If you have value in your present job that is beyond money then shut the fcuk up.
Edited to appologise for being a bit rude, but am still frustrated at those that don't realise that their income comes from their employers collecting on invoicing.
>> Edited by daydreamer on Friday 21st February 00:27
. I have a good Cambridge degree, and a bag full of relevant experience. I will conntinue to moan about the plight of engineers (read welath generators) in our society, but if I really wanted to do something else, then I would.
If a new car is more important than enjoying work, then change jobs.
It appears to have been lost in our society, but employers pay employees to do a job. If, as an amployee, you are not happy, then surely you should find an alternative employer. If this continues, the employer will have no staff, and have to trade in the Jag for a Scoda.
I don't understand the arguement that goes along the lines I am good at what I do therefore I am worth more. If you are worth more, go and get it. If you have value in your present job that is beyond money then shut the fcuk up.
Edited to appologise for being a bit rude, but am still frustrated at those that don't realise that their income comes from their employers collecting on invoicing.
>> Edited by daydreamer on Friday 21st February 00:27
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Edited to appologise for being a bit rude, but am still frustrated at those that don't realise that their income comes from their employers collecting on invoicing.
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So what about when what you do earns the company orders of magnitude more than you ever see? Or when you know that to replace you will cost them a load, and that they'll do it if they have to, but they won't pay you enough to stay (I see that happen a lot!).
It aint that black and white my friend, although I have sympathy with your viewpoint. Engineer pay is definitely on the low side in this country
Ah, now you're talking... JOB SATISFACTION. If you like what you do and the money's irrelevant, then carry on. I would, but as I ended up in my job by proving I could do what I said I could do (which started as a hobby, hence I enjoyed it), yet what I do is no longer what I enjoy, what I should do is find something that I enjoy that I could do as a job. However, I don't think I can put 'Gigolo' on my CV... 
Now my guess is that the majority of the UK workforce feels like that. You do what you can, not what you want to do. If we could all do that, my service manager would ride horses and run a climbing school. One of my mates would run a dive school in Malta (though to be fair he's already a long way there!).
Though our lords and masters may collect on the invoicing, it's due to an ongoing battle between our credit control guy and the purchasing departments of those clients who will not pay their bills on time. Do you suppose he enjoys his job? Getting on the phone and hassling other PEOPLE, who at the end of the day are doing what THEIR lords and masters tell them? Get real. Companies may make the money, but it's the workforce coping with the crap and doing the work.
Ian
Now my guess is that the majority of the UK workforce feels like that. You do what you can, not what you want to do. If we could all do that, my service manager would ride horses and run a climbing school. One of my mates would run a dive school in Malta (though to be fair he's already a long way there!).
Though our lords and masters may collect on the invoicing, it's due to an ongoing battle between our credit control guy and the purchasing departments of those clients who will not pay their bills on time. Do you suppose he enjoys his job? Getting on the phone and hassling other PEOPLE, who at the end of the day are doing what THEIR lords and masters tell them? Get real. Companies may make the money, but it's the workforce coping with the crap and doing the work.
Ian
We are all masters of our own destiny - particularly people on here who on the whole seem like free thinking , resourceful types. Being an employee takes much of the worry out of earning a crust (you know you'll get paid each month) and worries are then focused on internal stresses, ambitions, internal policitics and money.
It's frustrating being an employee because you're given boundaries to work within which you'd like to exceed. Tough. That's the price of a regular wage.
I earn a lot less than I used to, but the freedom I have has made me happier. I've paid a financial price for that freedom but you don't see me moaning about it.
I'm not saying there aren't any reasons to complain and I do know people aren't fully appreciated for their talents, but if you believe in your value then do something about it. I moved jobs numerous times in my permanent career to achieve pay rises that no employer would have given me had I stayed in one place. I got off my arse and did something about it.
I'll say it again - employers pay you to work. If you don't like the deal you're on then do something about it or shut up. Life's too short to spend in misery.
, resourceful types. Being an employee takes much of the worry out of earning a crust (you know you'll get paid each month) and worries are then focused on internal stresses, ambitions, internal policitics and money. It's frustrating being an employee because you're given boundaries to work within which you'd like to exceed. Tough. That's the price of a regular wage.
I earn a lot less than I used to, but the freedom I have has made me happier. I've paid a financial price for that freedom but you don't see me moaning about it.
I'm not saying there aren't any reasons to complain and I do know people aren't fully appreciated for their talents, but if you believe in your value then do something about it. I moved jobs numerous times in my permanent career to achieve pay rises that no employer would have given me had I stayed in one place. I got off my arse and did something about it.
I'll say it again - employers pay you to work. If you don't like the deal you're on then do something about it or shut up. Life's too short to spend in misery.
Thing is, if I move somewhere else I might have to actually do something, that can't be a good thing.
I'm semi happy to languish round here in a warm office, near to home, 2mbit internet connection and all the coffee I can smoke.
Just waiting on my firefighter application to come through the door....not holding my breath though.
I'm semi happy to languish round here in a warm office, near to home, 2mbit internet connection and all the coffee I can smoke.
Just waiting on my firefighter application to come through the door....not holding my breath though.
PetrolTed said:
pawsmcgraw said: well said Ted,so true,but its good for the soul to have a good moan.Its in the British gene pool.
since i employed myself i moan more than ever,all be it at the stupid things i do
... those of you who work for yourselves and pocket the lot need not apply
Ian
Working for yourself can be the worst job in the world with more problems and pressure and more work for less money than any wage slave. But I think that it's actually healthy for people to do that for a little while just to appreciate what the owners of the company they work for (not necessarily their immediate bosses who may just be other employees) have to deal with. If you look at the net profitability of most companies in the UK (excluding the 'city' type jobs) I think the average is around 3%. That's not exactly what you'd call coining it in for all the risk, is it?
Nevertheless, I agree with the way other posters seem to be going... if you hate what you do, and it's driving you crazy, no money is worth it. Just stop doing it.
I seem to earn far too much for doing far too little, and I'm STILL not happy with my job because I'm not allowed to do stuff that I would like to do and needs doing.
I'm not expecting much sympathy on this forum, but instead would like to ask if anyone has any experience of working for VSO (Voluntary Services Overseas) as I'm thinking about having a go myself?
I'm not expecting much sympathy on this forum, but instead would like to ask if anyone has any experience of working for VSO (Voluntary Services Overseas) as I'm thinking about having a go myself?
danhay said: I seem to earn far too much for doing far too little, and I'm STILL not happy with my job because I'm not allowed to do stuff that I would like to do and needs doing.
I'm not expecting much sympathy on this forum, but instead would like to ask if anyone has any experience of working for VSO (Voluntary Services Overseas) as I'm thinking about having a go myself?
i have a company overseas and you can work for me voluntary if you like
If you're worth more then leave, someone will pay you what you're worth.
DanH said: So what about when what you do earns the company orders of magnitude more than you ever see? Or when you know that to replace you will cost them a load, and that they'll do it if they have to, but they won't pay you enough to stay (I see that happen a lot!).
Fed up with people saying "I'm worth more" if you can't get a job that pays more that should tell you something. If you can get a job that pays more, either take it or shut up
All IMHO of course
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