over 4ltr - huge tax?
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gemini

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11,352 posts

295 months

Monday 24th March 2003
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Has anyone heard the rumour that soon all engines over 4ltr will be priced out due to huge tax bills?
Someone was saying this to me the other day claiming thats why jag had put something like a 3.6 in their new baby?
If so itll kill the TVR scondhand market - maybe I should hold off buying that Griff?

Alan420

5,618 posts

289 months

Monday 24th March 2003
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Wouldn't be suprised at all. I have to say it's a bit daft having the highest band at 1.8 litres when you can buy 16 litre cars.

Still, I'd rather see it done by weight as those cars are using lots of fuel, causing comparatively more damage to the roads, using more resources (in terms of disposable components) take more energy to make (which causes more pollution than using it ever will), etc etc.

Shame if they do this though, like you said, the 2nd hand TVR market will die.

DanH

12,287 posts

291 months

Monday 24th March 2003
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Its fakking ridiculous, as most of these 4 litre cars do 4k a year. I know, why don't they tax by the mile as these cars consume more petrol.

Oh yeah they already shaft us from that direction too.

Still even if it was 300 squid a year it wouldn't put me off much. If you want a tvr, you want a tvr.

(says the guy with a car in the lowest tax band!)

Alan420

5,618 posts

289 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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DanH said:
(says the guy with a car in the lowest tax band!)


Have I had too much to drink (very likely) or is that a really wierd pic in your profile?

gemini

Original Poster:

11,352 posts

295 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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DanH said:
Still even if it was 300 squid a year it wouldn't put me off much. If you want a tvr, you want a tvr.



Its bad enough paying for fuel and the servicing costs but if they bang on a biggy (£400?) then this makes running a car about £1600 a year before petrol and the ODD thing thta goes wrong!

May "want one" but may not be able to afford one?

rude girl

6,937 posts

290 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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Hang on, hang on. Beware of talking the value down. If they do increase the road tax on these cars, and even if it's to £300 or £400, that's only £120 or £220 more than we're paying already.

We may not want to pay it, and it might be unfair/pointless in the context of what they are trying to achieve (reduce gas guzzlers) BUT if you're down to your last £200 on the budget for buying a sportscar, you don't want to be buying a Griff 500!

There is absolutely no reason at all why this move (if it's true) should affect resale value on TVRs.

Size Nine Elm

5,167 posts

315 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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Hold on a mo. Why should you be taxed on the capacity of an engine? Surely a 10 litre engine that does 60mpg would be better than a 1 litre engine doing 30?

And with fuel duty... you get just that - you pay tax depending on how much fuel you use in whatever size of engine you have.

Its just another 'fleece the motorist' tax.

jon h

863 posts

315 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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Well, if I end up paying a couple of hundred quid extra each year, I guess I will just have to use the car more to justify the expense, which is exactly the opposite of what they are probably trying to achieve.(That is, of course, if the motive behind the tax is truely green!)

Jon H

raceboy

13,937 posts

311 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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Glad mine's only 3950cc then I can see the value of the lowly 4.0 rising as I type

apache

39,731 posts

315 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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surely there is no way this can be retrospective, money grabbing twats......still someone has to pay for this war

incorrigible

13,668 posts

292 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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As the owner of 3 3949cc vehicles I'm really quite worried, is the proposal 1.8 - 4.0, does anyone know for sure

minimax

11,985 posts

287 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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jon h said: Well, if I end up paying a couple of hundred quid extra each year, I guess I will just have to use the car more to justify the expense, which is exactly the opposite of what they are probably trying to achieve.(That is, of course, if the motive behind the tax is truely green!)

Jon H


ha ha! PHers of the world unite! we will not let them beat us! we will fart in their general direction even if they tax that too! yeeeehaaa!

CarZee

13,382 posts

298 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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Has anyone got a link to a source that may substantiate this.. what are we talking about? Company car tax or Road Fund?

PetrolTed

34,468 posts

334 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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This does sound like complete scaremongering.

Most legislation seems to be going down the route of taxing emissions rather than capacity - I'd be surprised if that changed suddenly.

mechsympathy

58,886 posts

286 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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incorrigible said: As the owner of 3 3949cc vehicles I'm really quite worried, is the proposal 1.8 - 4.0, does anyone know for sure


3? Have you been shopping??

DanH

12,287 posts

291 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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Have I had too much to drink (very likely) or is that a really wierd pic in your profile?



both.

gemini

Original Poster:

11,352 posts

295 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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CarZee said: Has anyone got a link to a source that may substantiate this.. what are we talking about? Company car tax or Road Fund?


The individual was talking road fund - and did mention £800.
I have no means of checking the fact but has TVR started putting lower cc engines in for a reason?

DanH

12,287 posts

291 months

Tuesday 25th March 2003
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I have no means of checking the fact but has TVR started putting lower cc engines in for a reason?



Maybe because tech has moved on a tad since the rover V8 was designed?

gemini

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11,352 posts

295 months

Wednesday 26th March 2003
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Has it? Not when you look at the factory floor - its covered in broken engines - Tuscan / 350 rebuilds

Big TVR fan but Im not sure theyve got it right yet - Oh I ling for the day they do
I might be able to get a T350T Yahoo!