Driver behaviour, what IS acceptable?
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Carrying on from another thread the tile to which i cannot remember(my head)...
Just what do you all reckon is acceptable driver behaviour?
By that, i mean would you find it acceptable to do jumps over hump-back bridges (another thread) or oversteering all over the place?
What is Unacceptable to youz all?
>>> Edited by deltaf on Wednesday 2nd April 18:05
Just what do you all reckon is acceptable driver behaviour?
By that, i mean would you find it acceptable to do jumps over hump-back bridges (another thread) or oversteering all over the place?
What is Unacceptable to youz all?
>>> Edited by deltaf on Wednesday 2nd April 18:05
All depends on where and when doesn't it?
I think the basis of what is acceptable is whether or not you put anyone else at risk either knowingly (you're a tw*t) or unknowingly (you can't drive and need training or banning!) that is unacceptable on a public road.
On a track day its unacceptable too, frankly.
On a race day its only acceptable within known bounds and the black flag is waiting....
I think the basis of what is acceptable is whether or not you put anyone else at risk either knowingly (you're a tw*t) or unknowingly (you can't drive and need training or banning!) that is unacceptable on a public road.
On a track day its unacceptable too, frankly.
On a race day its only acceptable within known bounds and the black flag is waiting....
1. What is unacceptable to me is when people are too lazy to go around mini roundabouts. There are some local ones to me where people even go round the wrong side of the 'hump'.
Is there a written rule in the HW code about which roundabouts you have to go round - obviously some are too small to negotiate without running over the white area etc.
2. People who drive right up my chuff just when I'm trying to slow down to the speed limit (esp. when entering a 30/40 limit). Anyone got a spare ECILOP sticker for the back of my car?
T/.
Is there a written rule in the HW code about which roundabouts you have to go round - obviously some are too small to negotiate without running over the white area etc.
2. People who drive right up my chuff just when I'm trying to slow down to the speed limit (esp. when entering a 30/40 limit). Anyone got a spare ECILOP sticker for the back of my car?
T/.
EVERYONE GETTING OUT OF MY WAY 
I'm with Daz and Carzee on this one.
also you can do what the hell you want so long as you stay on your side of the road (except overtaking)and don't endanger anyone unduly.
Oversteer on a deserted roundabout is fine as is jumping bridges that you know are clear.
At the end of the day so long as its quiet and you're not in danger of mowing down a bus que of poeple then do what you like.
Andy
also you can do what the hell you want so long as you stay on your side of the road (except overtaking)and don't endanger anyone unduly.
Oversteer on a deserted roundabout is fine as is jumping bridges that you know are clear.
At the end of the day so long as its quiet and you're not in danger of mowing down a bus que of poeple then do what you like.
Andy
trefor said: 1. What is unacceptable to me is when people are too lazy to go around mini roundabouts. There are some local ones to me where people even go round the wrong side of the 'hump'.
There is a roundabout near me that is just like this. The actual "hump" is placed so badly off centre the only sensible path around it is use the "wrong" side of the road.
To me...its perfectly acceptable to "straight-line" a mini roundabout if
a) There is NO other traffic anywhere near to be confused by such an act
b) There is a speed or safety advantage in doing so
It is NOT acceptable if other traffic is nearby that may be inconvenienced, confused or even damaged by doing so.
So its not always wrong IMO - and I believe that of the IAM too. The Highway Code of course goes for the simplistic view that you should always attempt to steer around it no matter how stupidly off centre it may be.
Do any of our Class 1 BiBs have a comment on the above?
Yep, made a habit of wrong siding mini roundabouts. Mini r's are usually afterthoughts and not serious road direction. Anybody sticking rigidly to the rules obviously doesn't properly understand the driving concept- get the UNDERLYING meaning and you're off to a good start. As long as other road users are not involved = fine.
Don said:
trefor said: 1. What is unacceptable to me is when people are too lazy to go around mini roundabouts. There are some local ones to me where people even go round the wrong side of the 'hump'.
There is a roundabout near me that is just like this. The actual "hump" is placed so badly off centre the only sensible path around it is use the "wrong" side of the road.
To me...its perfectly acceptable to "straight-line" a mini roundabout if
a) There is NO other traffic anywhere near to be confused by such an act
b) There is a speed or safety advantage in doing so
It is NOT acceptable if other traffic is nearby that may be inconvenienced, confused or even damaged by doing so.
So its not always wrong IMO - and I believe that of the IAM too. The Highway Code of course goes for the simplistic view that you should always attempt to steer around it no matter how stupidly off centre it may be.
Do any of our Class 1 BiBs have a comment on the above?
Don - There's no dogmatic answer, as ever in advanced driving, but you are broadly correct. The IAM takes a pragmatic and common sense view of things like mini roundabouts. Some of them, albeit a minority, are so badly done that it's not practical to drive round them.
I have to admit to frequently going over or partially over mini roundabouts. Sorry if that annoys some people! I think they are only there to tell you that you need to give way to something that you would normally give way to on a proper roundabout (i.e. on your right). I always follow that rule (regardless what path I'm taking over it) because that's what the intention behind putting it there was. To my mind, the nausea it might cause my passengers and the wear and tear on my tyres make it a nonsense to slavishly follow the grey bit round the white blob when there's nobody else using said white blob. Likewise, I often use the other side of the road when nobody else is - I believe advanced drivers are positively encouraged to use the opposite lane when they can see across a bend!
Avocet said: I believe advanced drivers are positively encouraged to use the opposite lane when they can see across a bend!
Yes, "off siding" (as the police term it) is taught in advanced training. This is usually done at the very end - once people have properly mastered the basics of the police System of Car Control - because if you get it wrong it's goodnight Vienna. Straightening out S-bends would involve a degree of off siding. Generally, I would only off side provided it's to my advantage, 100% safe, not going to confuse other road users such as a vehicle behind me, and I can see right the way through to the end of any bend I might want to straighten.
Advanced drivers use techniques like Limit Point Analysis to match speed with vision, so that they can always maintain the ability to stop in the distance they can see to be clear. Moving toward the right before entering a left hand bend increases your view, which allows the advanced driver to corner quicker. (Taking a late apex, incidentally.) You can see the advantage of off siding in this situation. You can also see the potential for having a head-on crash with someone coming the other way, which is why I would advocate training by someone like the IAM, RoSPA, RideDrive or HPC. (I list the organisations in order or increasing training ability and standards, from the IAM [entry level] to HPC [world class].)
>> Edited by huge_ego on Friday 4th April 18:03
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