Britains True Enemy - 'old Europe'

[sybaseian]

Isn't about time that the British stand up for ourselves and proudly claim that we are British and not 'old European'. The events that have unfolded over the past few months regarding Iraq have clearly highlighted the differences between the British and 'old Europe'.

I'm fed up with france and germany dictating what should happen within the European community and sidelining us.

Now that it is looking likely that 'old Europe' will be sidelined in the rebuilding of Iraq, we should push our advantage within the 'New Europe' to split the power base between france and germany forever.

[alan_driver]

I agree totally, which probably means 90% of PH disagree

[sybaseian]

I think you may be suprised at what other PH'ers think.

[cpearson]

well i would agree-the french just piss me off, give them a challenging situation and they'll give up in a week.

[ScoobyManchester]

cpearson said:give them a challenging situation and they'll give up in a week.

Ouch!

[planetdave]

English speaking union for me, never mind that the septics will dominate it. Unfortunately concurs with 'Oceania' in '1984'.Never mind , it was only a dream
Ohh yes, nearly forgot. French
(That's THE French)

>> Edited by planetdave on Thursday 3rd April 23:09

[deltaf]

Speaking for myself...im English...

[polar_ben]

Vive le Starbucks

[shok]

European Union - what Union?

[clanger]

Why do you reckon France and Germany don't want the ex iron curtainer countries in? - cos it will erode there cosy CAP club.. vive la difference

[Supercharged]

I agree, how France ever came to be considered to be one of the main forces in Europe I don't know!

They seem quite happy to legislate in Europe and yet they are far less enthusiastic about actually enforcing any of it once its been made law.

I think we should use whatever opportunity we have to take a little more control and try and build a European Union for Europe rather than for just France and Germany!

>> Edited by Supercharged on Thursday 3rd April 23:37

[cpearson]

Supercharged..i totally agree

[petepeter]

How about we stand up for ourselves and say we are BRITISH and not AMERICANs.?

They must be pissing themselves laughing, now knowing that terrorists will probably find it easier (and want to) attacking us than them.

[Graham]

And there was me thinking the answer was TONY BLAIR....

edited to say : I carnt mention that name without following it with the word CNUT

edited again cos i karnt spell

>> Edited by Graham on Friday 4th April 00:20

>> Edited by Graham on Friday 4th April 00:21

[apache]

petepeter said: How about we stand up for ourselves and say we are BRITISH and not AMERICANs.?

They must be pissing themselves laughing, now knowing that terrorists will probably find it easier (and want to) attacking us than them.

you don't half talk some bollocks

[sybaseian]

petepeter said: How about we stand up for ourselves and say we are BRITISH and not AMERICANs.?

They must be pissing themselves laughing, now knowing that terrorists will probably find it easier (and want to) attacking us than them.

I've never considered myself to be European or American.

As for terrorists, bring them on............

[seafarer]

I'm American, and I get the impression that Germany and France think they speak for the whole EU. We don't hear as much from Spain, Italy, Scandinavian countries...how about Poland, etc.. When the EU started, a lot of Americans thought "That will never work, no country is going to want to relinquish any sense of identity to be melded into one European group-think". This reminds me of early America when there was a lot of debate over States rights when they were developing the bicameral government (two houses) to have state representation made more fair. One house has representatives based on population per state and the other has two senators per state regardless of size, then bills have to pass both houses. Anyway, my point (and I do have one) is that they tried to make it so that small states would still be heard, but at the same time larger populated states needed proportionate representation. Germany and France are two of the biggest countries in Europe and it sounds like the others don't have quite as much voice, that's been my observation.

[petepeter]

thanks for your intelligent reply, apache.

But its true.
Look at the levels of security in NY at the moment
Ive got friends over there who say that there are soldiers and police on every corner.

I drove through London last Wednesday night and from fulham to the Blackwall tunnel I only saw 3 police cars.

[tvrbob]

51st state Iraq
52nd state Britain

[gnomesmith]

The fact that security is not'in your face' doesn't mean that it isn't there. Remember that we have had many years of practice to hone anti terorist proceedures and experience of being under attack or preparing to repel invaders at home that goes back to pre Napolionic times.

Its all a bit new for the US and remember those measures that are obvious are easiest to overcome.