Another budget post - serious question for all
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It seems to me the government is requesting i pull my trousers down, apply the KY and bend over. I am a young, single man with a reasonable salary. I have no children; I smoke 20 a day, drink 15+ pints a week and drive an uneconomical car. Each time the budget comes around I get frustrated to the point I want to punch Gordon Brown between the eyes. WHY DO I ALWAYS HAVE TO PAY MORE EACH YEAR AND GET NOTHING 
After reading some comments on PH about the budget yesterday and the generally negative attitude, it started me thinking about those that actually benefit.
So, quick survey, since labour have come to power, has anyone on here benefitted OVERALL from the various tax relief, new taxes, petrol/fags/booze rises etc? Does anyone on here even KNOW anyone that has?
serious question...
After reading some comments on PH about the budget yesterday and the generally negative attitude, it started me thinking about those that actually benefit.
So, quick survey, since labour have come to power, has anyone on here benefitted OVERALL from the various tax relief, new taxes, petrol/fags/booze rises etc? Does anyone on here even KNOW anyone that has?
serious question...
Without GB mentioning the word, its called 'redistribution'.
This involves taxing those with positive assets - salary, money, earnings, cars, houses - and giving it to those who don't.
In a rash moment of PCness, I won't even begin to list those groups...
I think most PHers fall into the first category...
This involves taxing those with positive assets - salary, money, earnings, cars, houses - and giving it to those who don't.
In a rash moment of PCness, I won't even begin to list those groups...
I think most PHers fall into the first category...
So, quick survey, since labour have come to power, has anyone on here benefitted OVERALL from the various tax relief, new taxes, petrol/fags/booze rises etc? Does anyone on here even KNOW anyone that has?
In a word.. "NO" - maybe I move in the wrong (i.e. right!) circles... hmm...
Oh, and what makes you think you deserve KY? - They're going in dry!
Not in the slightest...
Year on year since '97 I have been worse off than the year before and have recieved absolutely nothing in the way of increased standard of living.
Also, recently, when 'er indoors has needed some assitance from the state in some unemployment matters her treatment has been nothing less than appaling.
The time for change is about 6 years overdue.
Matt.
Year on year since '97 I have been worse off than the year before and have recieved absolutely nothing in the way of increased standard of living.
Also, recently, when 'er indoors has needed some assitance from the state in some unemployment matters her treatment has been nothing less than appaling.
The time for change is about 6 years overdue.
Matt.
Every budget I get the feeling our govt are just a bunch of closet communists.
I've worked hard for what I've got and I'll continue to to preserve it. Unfortunately not only do I have to give up a large percentage of my money at source (and whenever I feed one of my vices), I also spend a large percentage of my time working on govt projects to help bring ICT to the underpriveliged.
I don't mind helping out but somedays I just get the feeling I'm being shafted...
Oh bugger they'll be taking me out the back to shoot me now!
I've worked hard for what I've got and I'll continue to to preserve it. Unfortunately not only do I have to give up a large percentage of my money at source (and whenever I feed one of my vices), I also spend a large percentage of my time working on govt projects to help bring ICT to the underpriveliged.
I don't mind helping out but somedays I just get the feeling I'm being shafted...
Oh bugger they'll be taking me out the back to shoot me now!
[government advert, jingly tune]
Purely by producing children, you're making a positive impact on this country...
Don't forget to make sure you claim as many benefits & tax credits as you can...
[/advert]
Cue uneducated 20-somethings with 7 kids and no job. Oh, and us lot paying for it all. 
Purely by producing children, you're making a positive impact on this country...
Don't forget to make sure you claim as many benefits & tax credits as you can...
[/advert]
Cue uneducated 20-somethings with 7 kids and no job. Oh, and us lot paying for it all. Taxes are something which punishes the middle and working class. Do you really think that the uber rich of this country really worry about their taxes? Probably not at all. It's us people who earn enough to lead a "decent" life that get hit the hardest.
Like the saying goes "the rich get richer while the poor get poorer".
Like the saying goes "the rich get richer while the poor get poorer".
A couple of problems I keep seeing are that the standard of living hasnt got better even though the government changed hands. It was bad when the Conservatives were in power and it is bad now.
I dont support any political group but there seems to be some positives coming from Blair being in power. The peace treaty in Ireland and the strength of the currency and not beiong part of the Euro - yet anyway.
I dont like politicians and I know the NHS and Education are bad right now but I prefer Blair to any other ****ing politicians or parties. Sorry about the rant, it just gets so annoying.
I dont support any political group but there seems to be some positives coming from Blair being in power. The peace treaty in Ireland and the strength of the currency and not beiong part of the Euro - yet anyway.
I dont like politicians and I know the NHS and Education are bad right now but I prefer Blair to any other ****ing politicians or parties. Sorry about the rant, it just gets so annoying.
Nope. Schnozz - I'm even more annoyed. I'm married but have no children. I don't smoke. I do drink a bit - but not in the pub. I drive two cars which are not terribly economical but I make up for that by cycling to work everyday. The wife uses the train to get in to London three times a week.
I am hundreds and hundreds of pounds worse off every month since Labour came into power.
On top of that: Although I have no kids I have relations and friends who do. They get no help from the state towards their kids education and, in fact, because the kids are smart and will go to college they're already saving hard to help pay for that.
I get nothing. My friends with families get nothing. My elderly parents get their pension - but they PAID for that themselves.
I know no-one who has benefited because I LIVE IN THE SOUTH.
They're even proposing that, because I can afford it, that I should pay extra to have my bins emptied. And Council Tax has gone up.
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They can fcuk off
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If you think you're angry....
I am hundreds and hundreds of pounds worse off every month since Labour came into power.
On top of that: Although I have no kids I have relations and friends who do. They get no help from the state towards their kids education and, in fact, because the kids are smart and will go to college they're already saving hard to help pay for that.
I get nothing. My friends with families get nothing. My elderly parents get their pension - but they PAID for that themselves.
I know no-one who has benefited because I LIVE IN THE SOUTH.
They're even proposing that, because I can afford it, that I should pay extra to have my bins emptied. And Council Tax has gone up.
[seriouspointnowbeingmade]
They can fcuk off
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If you think you're angry....
AnarchyStorm said: A couple of problems I keep seeing are that the standard of living hasnt got better even though the government changed hands.
standard of living on the South East is crap. Crime rates/hopsital waiting lists/public services/public transport have all either remained static or worsened despite being shafted year after year with more taxes.
FFS you cannot even find an NHS dentist so that was another £430 paid out last year.
Don - good post.
The squeeze that I the government places on me has come to a point where I may be forced to sell the Tiv. It wont happen without a long fight but I do not want to end up with debts hanging over me to pay for the car. That will make me absolutely furious if i am forced to sell my pride and joy thanks to the spirally costs of keeping a roof over ones head and food on the table.
After reading Don's post, I am now wondering if the North/South thing does have such a large effect. Any views on this? Perhaps relocation is an idea?
The squeeze that I the government places on me has come to a point where I may be forced to sell the Tiv. It wont happen without a long fight but I do not want to end up with debts hanging over me to pay for the car. That will make me absolutely furious if i am forced to sell my pride and joy thanks to the spirally costs of keeping a roof over ones head and food on the table.
After reading Don's post, I am now wondering if the North/South thing does have such a large effect. Any views on this? Perhaps relocation is an idea?
shnozz said: standard of living on the South East is crap. Crime rates/hopsital waiting lists/public services/public transport have all either remained static or worsened despite being shafted year after year with more taxes.
FFS you cannot even find an NHS dentist so that was another £430 paid out last year.
OK... living in sunny Essex... and having been out of Uni for nearly 2 years, I'm looking to BUY a pad.
Earning well above average for my age, but a reasonable house (2/3 beds) with a garage in a reasonable area... you're looking at around 170k. Ouch.
So, in the end, went
it... and bought the TVR instead... and will continue to rent.Absolute identical position to Podie, we are looking around the West of London to buy, cant find a house for £250K...
How on earth are first time buyers in the South supposed to cope? The house prices are way above the the increased salaries when compared with the rest of the country.
Matt
How on earth are first time buyers in the South supposed to cope? The house prices are way above the the increased salaries when compared with the rest of the country.
Matt
Podie said:
shnozz said: standard of living on the South East is crap. Crime rates/hopsital waiting lists/public services/public transport have all either remained static or worsened despite being shafted year after year with more taxes.
FFS you cannot even find an NHS dentist so that was another £430 paid out last year.
OK... living in sunny Essex... and having been out of Uni for nearly 2 years, I'm looking to BUY a pad.
Earning well above average for my age, but a reasonable house (2/3 beds) with a garage in a reasonable area... you're looking at around 170k. Ouch.
So, in the end, went
yep, I was in the same situation as you 3 years ago. In the end i bought a 1 bed flat. Had to sell my decent car and replace it with a shit heap to get the deposit. Just sold that for £110k and buying 2/3 with garage for £170k mark. The only way I could afford to do that is with the deposit from my earlier buy.
does make you think what you could buy up north for that though and how the quality of life may alter. Plus in my profession you generally earn more in the north than the SE for some reason.
Good effort, Don. A fellow Dinky. Good man!
Well, we're considerably worse off. The NI increase has hit the pair of us. Oh, and our council tax went up another two hundred quid this year as well. This in spite of our bin being emptied every TWO weeks. Yep, every fcuking fortnight.
The week in between we are supposed to recycle all our old veg peelings etc, except we can't do that anymore because of Foot n Mouth - all we can put out now is grass cuttings. Which would be nice apart from the fact our grass cuttings are taken away by the bloke who cuts our grass. So I've taken to the bottle bank, if only to keep the dustbin a bit emptier.
My blood boileth.
Well, we're considerably worse off. The NI increase has hit the pair of us. Oh, and our council tax went up another two hundred quid this year as well. This in spite of our bin being emptied every TWO weeks. Yep, every fcuking fortnight.
The week in between we are supposed to recycle all our old veg peelings etc, except we can't do that anymore because of Foot n Mouth - all we can put out now is grass cuttings. Which would be nice apart from the fact our grass cuttings are taken away by the bloke who cuts our grass. So I've taken to the bottle bank, if only to keep the dustbin a bit emptier.
My blood boileth.
SO you're all starting to realise what I've been propounding for months and years, that these scumbags called labour are only closet communists, interested in only making a state similar to the old DDR where THEY run around in Jags (paid for by us of course) and everyone else is reduced to a council house, hamburger eating, US-TV watching, social outcast couchlizard with an IQ of 80, excepting all the "asylum seekers", "racial minorities", and w*nkers in general, of course.
They've reduced normal freedoms which are/were an unalienable British right, have got rid of the Lords and put their w*nker puppets in instead (still unelected but more ignorant and scummy. At least the old Lords had some resmblance of education and manners!)
Time for a revolution methinks... get a Guillotine from the French and dust it off, (they're bound to have one somewhere,) and set it up on Tower Green and whoopee!!!! lets get choppin'!!!!!!!!
They've reduced normal freedoms which are/were an unalienable British right, have got rid of the Lords and put their w*nker puppets in instead (still unelected but more ignorant and scummy. At least the old Lords had some resmblance of education and manners!)
Time for a revolution methinks... get a Guillotine from the French and dust it off, (they're bound to have one somewhere,) and set it up on Tower Green and whoopee!!!! lets get choppin'!!!!!!!!
Personnally I'm really really happy. I'm so pleased because after having all the large increases in NI, the bracket creap on my tax allowances, the extra red tape at my business etc. What particularily cheered me up is the 12%+ rise in council tax for the last 4 years.
But I'm happy with all this because:
My roads are crap, there are lots of pretty yellow cameras everywhere, and I'M GETTING A BLUE PLASTIC BOX TO PUT MY GLASS IN TO BE RECYCLED FROM MY HOUSE.....GREAT THATS WORTH THE THOUSANDS EXTRA I'M PAYING.
Edited I forgot the wondorful work they do with our friends from other less well off contries who don't like stopping in France, Italy or Germany FCUKERS
>> Edited by fish on Thursday 10th April 11:01
But I'm happy with all this because:
My roads are crap, there are lots of pretty yellow cameras everywhere, and I'M GETTING A BLUE PLASTIC BOX TO PUT MY GLASS IN TO BE RECYCLED FROM MY HOUSE.....GREAT THATS WORTH THE THOUSANDS EXTRA I'M PAYING.
Edited I forgot the wondorful work they do with our friends from other less well off contries who don't like stopping in France, Italy or Germany FCUKERS
>> Edited by fish on Thursday 10th April 11:01
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