Now they're after motorbikes
Discussion
They talking on the news this morning about 'pro active speed limiting' being tested on cars at the moment...
I've said it before and I'll say it again;
Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him?
Mind you I can't believe that any party that has that in it's manifesto will get elected but it might come in through the back door via Europe..
Dark times ahead, methinks.
I've said it before and I'll say it again;
Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him?
Mind you I can't believe that any party that has that in it's manifesto will get elected but it might come in through the back door via Europe..
Dark times ahead, methinks.
Complete garbage. How many bike accidents are caused by myopic drivers rather than speeding bikes? How many accidents on bikes occur at 70mph plus? How will a speed limiter help when most accidents occur in built up areas at speeds under the posted limits?
This has to be opposed, and opposed strongly. Don't kid yourself that this only affects bikers, they are just the softest target, as usual. Once that's in place and proves effective (accident rates will go down as people simply stop riding bikes - but wherever, the results will be spun to suit the argument anyway) cars will follow.
This has to be opposed, and opposed strongly. Don't kid yourself that this only affects bikers, they are just the softest target, as usual. Once that's in place and proves effective (accident rates will go down as people simply stop riding bikes - but wherever, the results will be spun to suit the argument anyway) cars will follow.
FFS (p*ss kettle on "simmer"
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It's not SPEED that is a problem, it's INNAPPROPIATE speed.
You cannot limit a bike to 70mph, so what would the limit be? 100mph? How many bikes do you get passed by doing 90+ on motorways? I would argue very few. However, how many doing about that (and more!) on NSL country roads? Far more. On many of these roads 70mph is too fast to be able to stop in the distance you can see, but hey ho...the Government will take the "one stick fits nobody" approach, limit *all* bikes to 75mph and turn the racing at Donnington into the slowest GP in the world!
Also, WTF have mini-motos got to do with an article on fully road legal bikes being stupidly limited?
. It's not SPEED that is a problem, it's INNAPPROPIATE speed.
You cannot limit a bike to 70mph, so what would the limit be? 100mph? How many bikes do you get passed by doing 90+ on motorways? I would argue very few. However, how many doing about that (and more!) on NSL country roads? Far more. On many of these roads 70mph is too fast to be able to stop in the distance you can see, but hey ho...the Government will take the "one stick fits nobody" approach, limit *all* bikes to 75mph and turn the racing at Donnington into the slowest GP in the world!
Also, WTF have mini-motos got to do with an article on fully road legal bikes being stupidly limited?
DucatiGary said:
obvioulsy a speed limiter on motorbikes will also help stop diesel spillage, one of the main causes of motorbike accidents.
duh
duh
it took 23 mins for the diesel argument whahay!
similarly having a 180mph bike limited to 120mph doesn't stop people getting their knee down at 120 on a 90mph corner...
it's the same old rubbish from this govt. of course it's absolute not relative speed that's the problem... jokers.
I thought bikes were a pretty efficient form of transport in term of mpg and wear and tear to roads. Can't they just stick to what they are good at - picking on the 4 x4 'gas guzzlers'
This reminds me of the 100bhp limit that was thtreatened by europe a while back, and look what happened to that. Total
I predict comulsory stabilising wheels to be fitted to all bikes by 2010, in order to reduce accident rates
This reminds me of the 100bhp limit that was thtreatened by europe a while back, and look what happened to that. Total
I predict comulsory stabilising wheels to be fitted to all bikes by 2010, in order to reduce accident rates
Edited by alfa daley on Thursday 29th March 12:10
The real problem is, if speed limiters get introduced on yet more vehicles, you can bet everything that even if accident rates went up the limiters would stay in place, and probably just have increasingly draconian limits applied until you can't engage gear without the car being electronically stalled.
Otherwise I'd happily have a limiter put in, wait a few weeks for every numpty on the road to have cruise controlled into an object at precisely the limited speed, and even more happily have the limiter removed never to be mentioned by another politician, ever, again.
Otherwise I'd happily have a limiter put in, wait a few weeks for every numpty on the road to have cruise controlled into an object at precisely the limited speed, and even more happily have the limiter removed never to be mentioned by another politician, ever, again.
Hi first post great web site 
it seems everyday they more and more people trying to stop us having fun, what the hells up with them don't they get bored sitting around doing bugger all. Come think of it I'm already after a car with a speed limiter on it the BMW M3 at 155mph likely to be the last car I buy in the UK the way things are going I can't see me living here in 5 years.
it seems everyday they more and more people trying to stop us having fun, what the hells up with them don't they get bored sitting around doing bugger all. Come think of it I'm already after a car with a speed limiter on it the BMW M3 at 155mph likely to be the last car I buy in the UK the way things are going I can't see me living here in 5 years. Edited by Cliffv8 on Thursday 29th March 12:53
Why? Although accident rates for bikers (and in particular owners of Sports bikes) seem to be on the way up, is there any evidence that adding a speed limiter would actually solve the problem?
In other words, is the incidence of Bikers going off roads at 120mph so great that this measure is called for? Or is this just a reactive "Daily Mail" response to accidents which are already occurring at speeds below those imposed by a limiter.
I do agree though - Bikers today, cars tomorrow. The Government has indicated it wants to go down this route for a few years now. It's a standard NuLabour tactic to set precedent for the introduction of nanny tactics by targeting them at small/unpopular demographic groups, and then roll the solution out onto increasingly larger groups later on.
As free people and car enthusiasts, we should be standing sholder to shoulder with the Biking community in opposing this proposal.
In other words, is the incidence of Bikers going off roads at 120mph so great that this measure is called for? Or is this just a reactive "Daily Mail" response to accidents which are already occurring at speeds below those imposed by a limiter.
I do agree though - Bikers today, cars tomorrow. The Government has indicated it wants to go down this route for a few years now. It's a standard NuLabour tactic to set precedent for the introduction of nanny tactics by targeting them at small/unpopular demographic groups, and then roll the solution out onto increasingly larger groups later on.
As free people and car enthusiasts, we should be standing sholder to shoulder with the Biking community in opposing this proposal.
"not for road use"
www.biketorqueracing.co.uk/engine_nikko_gpack.asp
www.biketorqueracing.co.uk/engine_nikko_gpack.asp
Edited by y2blade on Thursday 29th March 13:16
Those statistics are totally flawed too:
"The report noted that there was a massive increase in numbers of Motorcycles for Use on Private Property (MUPP).
The market was about 7,000 new bikes a year of this type in 2001, but an estimated 170,000 were imported to the UK in 2005."
Yes - but 163,000 of those would have been the crap Chinese minimotos bought by chavs. They've pretty much killed off legitimate off road riding in the UK (thanks for that) now we're to have 'eco' bikes that do 60mph.
Proved by:
"There have been at least seven deaths involving mini motos since mid-2004, five of which were children under the age of 15. "
The lack of a nice strong metal cage around a bike makes the accident rates 'high'.
Idiots.
"The report noted that there was a massive increase in numbers of Motorcycles for Use on Private Property (MUPP).
The market was about 7,000 new bikes a year of this type in 2001, but an estimated 170,000 were imported to the UK in 2005."
Yes - but 163,000 of those would have been the crap Chinese minimotos bought by chavs. They've pretty much killed off legitimate off road riding in the UK (thanks for that
) now we're to have 'eco' bikes that do 60mph. Proved by:
"There have been at least seven deaths involving mini motos since mid-2004, five of which were children under the age of 15. "
The lack of a nice strong metal cage around a bike makes the accident rates 'high'.
Idiots.
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