RE: Electric City
Tuesday 9th October 2007

Electric City

UK to get 250 electric car recharging stations


Recharge the Californian way
Recharge the Californian way
Power-firm EDF and Elektromotive have joined forces to install recharging stations designed to allow commuters to recharge vehicles while at work.

The viability of electric cars is set to take a giant leap forward after energy giant EDF announced it is to install 250 recharging stations across the UK by April 2008.

The company is to join forces with recharging station manufacturer Elektromotive to provide the recharging stations, which it claims will make electric cars such as the G-Wiz and MEGA City more attractive propositions for urban commuters.

Calvey Taylor-Haw, managing director of Elektromotive, said the provision of a network of recharging stations would allow commuters without off-street parking to consider purchasing electric vehicles and also extend the cars' range.

He said: "Electric cars already do about 40 miles per charge, so they are more than adequate for most urban journeys but this will introduce a real comfort factor for people as they know they will be able to recharge away from home."

He added that around 200 of the charging stations, which provide a standard 240V charge, are expected to be deployed in London with a further 50 planned for other cities including Brighton and Sheffield.

Payment plans for the recharging stations are likely to vary from council to council with some planning to offer the service for free and others expected to charge. However, with most electric cars costing 1.3p to 1.5p per mile to run, costs would be minimal.

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Will2425

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13,719 posts

232 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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Also handy for powering a hoover when cleaning your car! (and a million other uses)

buckman63

89 posts

241 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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" Electric cars already do about 40 miles per charge, so they are more than adequate for most urban journeys "

Complete tosh. How inflexable is a car that requires a time consuming recharge every 40 miles ?. My granny and the paper boy may get away with it but technology needs to advance some way before I go electric !!!! Assuming I have a choice of course !

Altrezia

8,737 posts

237 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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Ha ha, even my tiv goes more than 40 miles without a fillup.

Electrickery isn't up to the job, yet.

Mars

10,028 posts

240 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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Electric-only vehicles are a dead-end technology until a step-breakthrough in charging time and vehicle distance is realised. 40 miles on a charge is hopeless. Not enough people will be interested in a milk-float-of-a-car to create demand great-enough to bring prices down from their current unrealistic "appeal-only-to-greeny-Hollywood-types".

I can see a future for hybrids. Electric motors certainly have the potential (no pun) for large bhp, and can be positioned to drive all 4 wheels independently, thus removing the necessity for a diff and gearbox. You can have computer control over your 4 wheels, far greater control than you can have by manipulating diffs (although I believe the Ferrari e-diff is a work of engineering-art).

joetait

20 posts

233 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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...Of course power stations are fuelled purely on the tears of squirrels....

The Hitman

2,592 posts

236 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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Wow, what a wonderful renewable energy source electricity is! It just seems to pop into existance rather than having mainly to burn coal, oil or gas in order to harness energy to produce it. Blooming amazing! Who would have thought that this resource would just spontaniously apear?

rob e

84 posts

285 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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the tech is a lot better than 40 miles.

the zytek smart did achieve 70 miles with a 70mph top speed - not sure what happened to it though - some complications with the politics with daimler got in the way.

don't understand why you can't make it so that leccy cars go to a petrol station and swap out dead batteries for charged one - hey presto no hanging around waiting for your car to charge.

i personally would love to have something like this for my daily commute - and it looks pretty good on a track too..!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GINWQ0QakV0

chrisbr68

5,500 posts

274 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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So... they are encouraging more cars to drive around in London? Good idea!!!!111

rob e

84 posts

285 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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joetait said:
...Of course power stations are fuelled purely on the tears of squirrels....
there's enough gen capacity in the states to charge a fleet of leccy cars without building one extra station - charge them at night when electricity isn't being used.

kambites

71,074 posts

247 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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I'd take one of those "Tango EV"s for commuting if they were available at a sensible price.

Jackass

135 posts

285 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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The Hitman said:
Wow, what a wonderful renewable energy source electricity is! It just seems to pop into existance rather than having mainly to burn coal, oil or gas in order to harness energy to produce it. Blooming amazing! Who would have thought that this resource would just spontaniously apear?
But it does move pollution away from city centres and power stations can be significantly more efficient than the internal combustion engine.

Mars

10,028 posts

240 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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Can we get into the Nuclear debate?

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I'm all for it, by the way.

renrut

1,478 posts

231 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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40 Miles? Maybe for the first electric car way back in 1900ish.

There have a been a good few examples of 'leccy cars with 200 mile ranges in the last 10 years or so. Electric motors are incredibly powerful, correctly designed there aint much that can match them for power to weight, how does 100% torque from about 0rpm to 10000rpm sound?

The problem is in providing the fuel source to them, petrol is an incredibly dense form of chemical fuel but that needs converting to electricity. Batteries are rubbish and heavy, hydrogen fuel cells are dangerous, rubbish and heavy. Mini nuclear power plants would be excellent fun if the shielding could be sorted, but I dont like the idea of some doddery old dear crashing her mini chernobyl into me when I stop at the lights...

So in other words, the internal combustion engine will be around for a good while yet biggrin

Timberwolf

5,374 posts

244 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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I wonder how effective for urban transport an electric car with somewhat fewer batteries and a small diesel generator would be.

No direct driveline between diesel engine and wheels, just electrics. A little bit like a very tiny train.

Since you spend most of your time in city traffic either idling or coasting down to a stop, the generator would get chance to top up the batteries for the next spurt of acceleration.

Sustained top speed would be a bit crap, but would it be more suited to cities than a purely electrical solution?

kambites

71,074 posts

247 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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Hydrogen fuel cells aren't particularly heavy per unit storage capacity (probably no heavier than petrol) or any more dangerous than any other kind of hydrogen powered car... main problem is they're rather pricey.

Snoggledog

9,146 posts

243 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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No more "Broom Broom" frown

Strawman

6,463 posts

233 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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renrut said:
40 Miles? Maybe for the first electric car way back in 1900ish.
and the G Whizz

renrut said:
Mini nuclear power plants would be excellent fun if the shielding could be sorted, but I dont like the idea of some doddery old dear crashing her mini chernobyl into me when I stop at the lights...
Ah the Ford Nucleon, 5000 mile range is nothing to be sniffed at (especially back in the 1950s) and what's a small radiation leak between friends, apparently without radiation we wouldn't have any genetic mutation and therefore we couldn't evolve into a super beings wink

kambites

71,074 posts

247 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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Timberwolf said:
I wonder how effective for urban transport an electric car with somewhat fewer batteries and a small diesel generator would be.

No direct driveline between diesel engine and wheels, just electrics. A little bit like a very tiny train.

Since you spend most of your time in city traffic either idling or coasting down to a stop, the generator would get chance to top up the batteries for the next spurt of acceleration.

Sustained top speed would be a bit crap, but would it be more suited to cities than a purely electrical solution?
I believe that some buses work like that.

You actually lose less energy in conversion from mechanical energy to electrical energy, storage and then conversion back to mechanical energy than you do in a conventional gearbox. Thus, even ignoring the advantages of regenerative braking and a completely flat torque curve, they are still a good idea.

bencollins

3,558 posts

231 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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Soon we will be talking about our new flux ultra capacitor upgrade. smile

FlossyThePig

4,141 posts

269 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
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Snoggledog said:
No more "Broom Broom" frown
Just swept aside!