simple maths problems
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condor

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269 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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Just a couple

1. does 0.9999....=1

2. solve x^(x^(x^(x^(....))))=2

3. what is the exact number of marbles required to build a million layer pyramid ?
the number of marbles has to be such in each layer that it fits on top of the next one

1, 3, 6, 10, 15, 21, 28.....

4. Does the infinite sum of the inverses of the prime numbers converge?

1/2 + 1/3 + 1/5 + 1/7 + 1/11 + 1/13 + 1/17 + 1/19 + 1/23......

In other words does the sum apprach infinity as the number of terms approaches infinity or does it asymtotically approach a fix value(converge)?



At this time of night...and after much wine...is too difficult for me to solve...and I want to go to bed.
Can a little elf fix it for me by morning? Please

tuffer

8,943 posts

288 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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1. Proof: 0.9999... = Sum 9/10^n
(n=1 -> Infinity)

= lim sum 9/10^n
(m -> Infinity) (n=1 -> m)

= lim .9(1-10^-(m+1))/(1-1/10)
(m -> Infinity)

= lim .9(1-10^-(m+1))/(9/10)
(m -> Infinity)

= .9/(9/10)

= 1


unlicensed

7,585 posts

271 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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i thought u said they were simple.......
as in simple like 1 + 2 = 17

iria

854 posts

273 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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so 0.999999 /infinite/ = 1?

I see now why i went on to study arts and binned the maths long time ago (i discovered my vocation when i found out i could only deal with mathematical problems containing letters in them, doh)

B0yracer

3,317 posts

278 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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1,3,6,10,15,21,28.......


next is 28+8=36, 36+9=45, 45+10=55, 55+11=66

Bluebottle

48,463 posts

269 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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Two non-maths problems:

Find the next number

1/ 11 - 8 - 16 - 7 - ?

2/ 22 - 16 - 11 - 8 - ?

lightningghost

4,943 posts

270 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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The first one, 0.99999.... does indeed = 1 at some point, but there are a bloody lot of decimal places

ATG

22,776 posts

293 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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I'd guess that the answer to 4 is "yes" and that the proof is to sum a similar but definitely slower decreasing series of fractions and show that that series converges.

samwilliams

836 posts

277 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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the answer to third one is 5000000500000 marbles

condor

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269 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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samwilliams said:
the answer to third one is 5000000500000 marbles


Think you've only done 1000 layers there

If we see that each layer is a triangle of marbles which has to have one more row than the layer above it. These triangular numbers are connected by the series T_n = n(n+1)/2, so we want the sum from 1 to 1,000,000 of n(n+1)/2, which is equal to one half of the sum of n*n + one half the sum of n. These are both well known expressions which can be proven by induction, and the answer is
(n(n+1)(2n+1)/6+n(n+1)/2)/2, where n=1,000,000. This appears to simplify to n(n+1)(n+2)/6, so it's a little over one-sixth of a qunitillion (10^18).

I make it 166,667,166,667,000,000 marbles.

Wacky Racer

40,397 posts

268 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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How can you turn two matchsticks into five without breaking them?

Tocka

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267 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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I am new here

...and tonker its 10TO10

Did I get it right?

All Terrain

838 posts

278 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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In reply to Wacky

Gamble with them on a game of cards

>> Edited by All Terrain on Tuesday 28th October 10:31

M@H

11,298 posts

293 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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iria said:
so 0.999999 /infinite/ = 1?






I'll explain this one in more simple detail if it helps as tuffer managed to confuse me a bit, and I know the answer.. :

let X = 0.99999 (recurring)

therefore 10X = 9.99999999 (recurring)

10X - X = 9X

accordingly

9.999999 (recurring) - 0.999999 (recurring) = 9X

9.999999 (recurring) - 0.999999 (recurring) = 9

if 9X = 9, then X = 1


Cheers
Matt



>> Edited by M@H on Tuesday 28th October 10:40

Wacky Racer

40,397 posts

268 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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All Terrain said:
In reply to Wacky

Gamble with them on a game of cards

>> Edited by All Terrain on Tuesday 28th October 10:31



mondeoman

11,430 posts

287 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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I thought pyramids had four sides??

so its 1, 4, 9, 16 ......

XM5ER

5,094 posts

269 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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condor said:

samwilliams said:
the answer to third one is 5000000500000 marbles



Think you've only done 1000 layers there

If we see that each layer is a triangle of marbles which has to have one more row than the layer above it. These triangular numbers are connected by the series T_n = n(n+1)/2, so we want the sum from 1 to 1,000,000 of n(n+1)/2, which is equal to one half of the sum of n*n + one half the sum of n. These are both well known expressions which can be proven by induction, and the answer is
(n(n+1)(2n+1)/6+n(n+1)/2)/2, where n=1,000,000. This appears to simplify to n(n+1)(n+2)/6, so it's a little over one-sixth of a qunitillion (10^18).

I make it 166,667,166,667,000,000 marbles.


I dont doubt your maths for a minute however I do doubt your assumption that a pyramid has a triangular base, last time I looked they have a square base.

danielson

407 posts

270 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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Wacky Racer said:
How can you turn two matchsticks into five without breaking them?


turn them into a "V" which is 5 in roman numerals..

Spooky

347 posts

282 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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Wacky Racer said:
How can you turn two matchsticks into five without breaking them?


Er.. I reckon you turn up into the roman numeral for 5, V.

Did I win a prize?

M@H

11,298 posts

293 months

Tuesday 28th October 2003
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Tocka said:
I am new here

...and tonker its 10TO10

Did I get it right?


Hi and welcome


yes you did..

Cheers,
Matt