Well...The Cyclists like Brunstrom
Discussion
(But we all know he's a t**t)
www.conwyctc.fsnet.co.uk/pages/ctc_backs_Brunst.htm
CTC BACKS RICHARD BRUNSTROM'S DRIVE FOR ROAD SPEED DISCIPLINE
Richard Brunstrom, the Chief Constable of North Wales, is a prominent police advocate in the use of speed cameras to control speeding drivers.
Brunstrom's laudable campaign to make our streets and highways safer and better for everyone has provoked a vicious campaign against him by the motoring lobby, which lamentably is gathering momentum in both the local and national press.
There are absurd allegations that Brunstrom is milking the motorist with fines simply to raise revenue and that he neglects to fight more important crimes such as burglary.
Excessive speed is an important factor contributing to over a 1000 deaths a year on our roads and a huge number of serious injuries. Ever since speed limits were first introduced it has been demonstrated that curbing excessive speeds saves lives.
The British media whips up the public into a frenzy of grief for certain murdered children (eg. the Soham girls) but then fiercely campaigns against traffic measures designed to save many more lives including those of children.
CTC has joined with 27 other organisations in expressing support for Brunstom's efforts to promote road safety. (See www.transport2000.org.uk)
Roy Spilsbury, Hon. Secretary CTC Cymru, comments:
"The Chief Constable of North Wales Richard Brunstrom has again come under fire as a consequence of his campaign to prosecute speeding motorists caught on camera.
"A 71 year old retired Bank Manager pleaded guilty to exceeding a 30mph limit by 9 mph, but afterwards went to the media to complain that as he had a clean record he should have been offered a caution without needing to appear in court to receive a penalty. He claimed he was overtaking a tractor at the time but camera evidence disproved this.
"Perhaps not surprisingly, given the sections of the public that see all attempts to achieve responsibility and accountability on our roads as a violation of basic human rights, the media has been having a field day placing Mr. Brunstrom well and truly on the rack.
"Mr Brunstrom's own comment on this case is very apt: 'Mr Shaw was driving above the speed limit, on a rainy day, in a built-up area with a history of accidents, including one where a pedestrian was knocked down and killed......Speeding is a form of anti-social behaviour. Some people believe that term applies only to 17-year-old yobs who get drunk and cause a nuisance but it also applies to people like Mr Shaw, who see themselves as law-abiding citizens but then choose to break the law by speeding and risking the lives of other people.'
"CTC totally agrees with Mr Brunstrom and argues that the law should be applied without fear or favour. Often the driver knows little or nothing of the local conditions where residents become fearful for their lives because of speeding motorists.
"At least one other recent case provides evidence that local courts don't always attach as much seriousness to vehicle speeds as Mr. Brunstrom. A Henllan driver was clocked doing something like 120mph on the A525 dual carriageway towards Rhuddlan at about 8.30am on his way to work as a factory manager. He received a modest fine and was disqualified for a couple of months.
"One can only speculate on the standard of this man's driving from his home along the narrow twisting lane leading to the main road at St Asaph. But it takes little to imagine the horrific consequences if he had clipped another car on his journey, or collided with a cyclist, pedestrian, or horse rider, not to mention someone taking a breath of fresh air in a wheel chair. But of course there aren't so many of them about because people are too afraid of coming across someone like him - driving like a madman."
For evidence of how the police's Arrive Alive campaign is working and saving lives click here.
To read the text of an article in THE TIMES newspaper revealing the consequences of Durham police's camera shy policy when compared with the proactive one of the North Wales police click www.conwyctc.fsnet.co.uk/pages/speed_cams.htm
>>> Edited by cazzo on Thursday 4th December 00:09
www.conwyctc.fsnet.co.uk/pages/ctc_backs_Brunst.htm
CTC BACKS RICHARD BRUNSTROM'S DRIVE FOR ROAD SPEED DISCIPLINE
Richard Brunstrom, the Chief Constable of North Wales, is a prominent police advocate in the use of speed cameras to control speeding drivers.
Brunstrom's laudable campaign to make our streets and highways safer and better for everyone has provoked a vicious campaign against him by the motoring lobby, which lamentably is gathering momentum in both the local and national press.
There are absurd allegations that Brunstrom is milking the motorist with fines simply to raise revenue and that he neglects to fight more important crimes such as burglary.
Excessive speed is an important factor contributing to over a 1000 deaths a year on our roads and a huge number of serious injuries. Ever since speed limits were first introduced it has been demonstrated that curbing excessive speeds saves lives.
The British media whips up the public into a frenzy of grief for certain murdered children (eg. the Soham girls) but then fiercely campaigns against traffic measures designed to save many more lives including those of children.
CTC has joined with 27 other organisations in expressing support for Brunstom's efforts to promote road safety. (See www.transport2000.org.uk)
Roy Spilsbury, Hon. Secretary CTC Cymru, comments:
"The Chief Constable of North Wales Richard Brunstrom has again come under fire as a consequence of his campaign to prosecute speeding motorists caught on camera.
"A 71 year old retired Bank Manager pleaded guilty to exceeding a 30mph limit by 9 mph, but afterwards went to the media to complain that as he had a clean record he should have been offered a caution without needing to appear in court to receive a penalty. He claimed he was overtaking a tractor at the time but camera evidence disproved this.
"Perhaps not surprisingly, given the sections of the public that see all attempts to achieve responsibility and accountability on our roads as a violation of basic human rights, the media has been having a field day placing Mr. Brunstrom well and truly on the rack.
"Mr Brunstrom's own comment on this case is very apt: 'Mr Shaw was driving above the speed limit, on a rainy day, in a built-up area with a history of accidents, including one where a pedestrian was knocked down and killed......Speeding is a form of anti-social behaviour. Some people believe that term applies only to 17-year-old yobs who get drunk and cause a nuisance but it also applies to people like Mr Shaw, who see themselves as law-abiding citizens but then choose to break the law by speeding and risking the lives of other people.'
"CTC totally agrees with Mr Brunstrom and argues that the law should be applied without fear or favour. Often the driver knows little or nothing of the local conditions where residents become fearful for their lives because of speeding motorists.
"At least one other recent case provides evidence that local courts don't always attach as much seriousness to vehicle speeds as Mr. Brunstrom. A Henllan driver was clocked doing something like 120mph on the A525 dual carriageway towards Rhuddlan at about 8.30am on his way to work as a factory manager. He received a modest fine and was disqualified for a couple of months.
"One can only speculate on the standard of this man's driving from his home along the narrow twisting lane leading to the main road at St Asaph. But it takes little to imagine the horrific consequences if he had clipped another car on his journey, or collided with a cyclist, pedestrian, or horse rider, not to mention someone taking a breath of fresh air in a wheel chair. But of course there aren't so many of them about because people are too afraid of coming across someone like him - driving like a madman."
For evidence of how the police's Arrive Alive campaign is working and saving lives click here.
To read the text of an article in THE TIMES newspaper revealing the consequences of Durham police's camera shy policy when compared with the proactive one of the North Wales police click www.conwyctc.fsnet.co.uk/pages/speed_cams.htm
>>> Edited by cazzo on Thursday 4th December 00:09
cazzo said:
But it takes little to imagine the horrific consequences if he had clipped another car on his journey, or collided with a cyclist, pedestrian, or horse rider, not to mention someone taking a breath of fresh air in a wheel chair.
Argh!
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!Guardian reading lentil munching non washing smelly labour voting leftie said:
break the law by speeding and risking the lives of other people.'
How is it risking the lives of other people?! Its only risking their lives if they are stupid enough to walk out infront of a car without looking!
Amusing, isn't it, how you become a child murdering psychopath by altering your rate of progress by, in some counties, 3mph.
Even in my 'normal' car the difference between CMP and LAC (law abiding citizen)is a matter of weight of foot, looking out for errant sprogs (something I've curiously never encountered in 30 years of driving) being concerned about a white van welded to my bumper,looking out for scameras and talivans, being mindful of the eccentric antics of my fellow motorist, monitoring my speedo for fear of being condemmned a potential murderer all seem to detract from my ability to do this. Maybe I'm a numptie
Even in my 'normal' car the difference between CMP and LAC (law abiding citizen)is a matter of weight of foot, looking out for errant sprogs (something I've curiously never encountered in 30 years of driving) being concerned about a white van welded to my bumper,looking out for scameras and talivans, being mindful of the eccentric antics of my fellow motorist, monitoring my speedo for fear of being condemmned a potential murderer all seem to detract from my ability to do this. Maybe I'm a numptie
personally i think brunstrom should be staked out and tied to the ground whilst he is shown images of shaved sheep in various poses whilst the duke boys wait in the general lee to wheelspin over his still twitching willie!!!
now if the tabloids sorted THAT i would definatly buy at least a couple of copies,one for reading and laughing at and one for framing!
now if the tabloids sorted THAT i would definatly buy at least a couple of copies,one for reading and laughing at and one for framing!
Mon Ami Mate said:
And what will all these two-wheeled "anarchists" be doing in ten years time when they have families to ferry around, weekly shopping to buy and jobs to travel to?
Probably the same as a woman I see every morning towing her kis behind her in a special covered trailer ....
The Wiz said:That's what amuses me - you are allowed to tow your child in a flimsy bike trailer with absolutely no crash protection, yet if you strap/bolt in a baby seat/pram into the parcel shelf of your TVR then you are seen as a dangerous criminal. WTF!?
Probably the same as a woman I see every morning towing her kis behind her in a special covered trailer ....
Don said:
CTCs own website shows a cyclist riding like a twat with both hands of the handlebars on a fast downhill section.
Enjoying the speed
Hypocritical busybodies.
I do hope everyone points that out....
I have no gripe with sensible cyclists, but I have, on a number of occaisions, nearly killed people who are riding like complete tw*ts - no lights, dark clothing, jumping red lights, going the wrong way down one way streets, veering into the road without looking, no hand signals and so on...I would take these pro cycling people far more seriously if they had more consideration for how bad some cyclists really are, rather than this holier than thou stance they seem to adopt.
cazzo said:
or collided with a cyclist, pedestrian, or horse rider, not to mention someone taking a breath of fresh air in a wheel chair.
Am I the only one to think this is one of the most bizarre list of secnarios ever mentioned with regard to road accidents?!
Although not only am I mildly digusted at their blatant tokenism, I think it strange (and offensively discriminatory) that being in a wheelchair puts you in a different category from pedestrians!
Rob.
"Well...The Cyclists like Brunstrom"
You can disassociate me from that.
In a good week, I'll probably get out for 3 lunchtime rides of 20 miles each and a 30-40miles each Saturday and Sunday.
Most of this is on decent 'country' roads where one might reasonably expect NSL to apply. I generally ride at an average of 20-25mph. Under NSL conditions, and where the road allows, I can be cleanly overtaken at 60mph with the overtaking car spending little time on the other side of the road.
Where one of these 'extended village' 40mph or even 30mph zones as sprung up, drivers often become more hesitant about performing the manoeuvre. And with good reason. They're going to be spending longer on the wrong side of the road if they're not to exceed 40/30 and this in itself limits their opportunities. They're also likely to spend less time looking at me and more time worrying about something coming the other way - or worrying about being caught and penalised for exceeding the limit.
Artificially low limits and over zealous enforcement of them do no favours to cyclists or drivers.
You can disassociate me from that.
In a good week, I'll probably get out for 3 lunchtime rides of 20 miles each and a 30-40miles each Saturday and Sunday.
Most of this is on decent 'country' roads where one might reasonably expect NSL to apply. I generally ride at an average of 20-25mph. Under NSL conditions, and where the road allows, I can be cleanly overtaken at 60mph with the overtaking car spending little time on the other side of the road.
Where one of these 'extended village' 40mph or even 30mph zones as sprung up, drivers often become more hesitant about performing the manoeuvre. And with good reason. They're going to be spending longer on the wrong side of the road if they're not to exceed 40/30 and this in itself limits their opportunities. They're also likely to spend less time looking at me and more time worrying about something coming the other way - or worrying about being caught and penalised for exceeding the limit.
Artificially low limits and over zealous enforcement of them do no favours to cyclists or drivers.
skoda_rob said:
or collided with a cyclist, pedestrian, or horse rider, not to mention someone taking a breath of fresh air in a wheel chair.
Am I the only one to think this is one of the most bizarre list of secnarios ever mentioned with regard to road accidents?!
Although not only am I mildly digusted at their blatant tokenism, I think it strange (and offensively discriminatory) that being in a wheelchair puts you in a different category from pedestrians!
I think it's the funniest thing in ages and just shows how they will print anything you say even if you are a blithering idiot!
Anyway, if someone in a wheelchair feels that sitting on an A-road is the best place to get some fresh air then maybe they need a hard bump to the head!
And another thing (I'm in a ranty mood!)...
Presumably in order to get to this cycling utopia from a distant unenlightened Ville, these people would need some form of motorised transport? It's all very well and good saying you support Brunstrom and his ilk, but I wonder how many of the people on that site put their toe down once the bike is safely stowed away in the Landcruiser?
Presumably in order to get to this cycling utopia from a distant unenlightened Ville, these people would need some form of motorised transport? It's all very well and good saying you support Brunstrom and his ilk, but I wonder how many of the people on that site put their toe down once the bike is safely stowed away in the Landcruiser?
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