Mondeo ST200/220, Talk to me!
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Been looking at these,
ST200 is in budget and ticks all my boxes, is the ST220 worth getting into finance for over it? ST200 Saloon seems VERY well equipped
Seems like I'd get a minter for £2500, or £5000 for the ST220.
Are they hard to insure? Old mans car? I like 'em, what does PH say?
ST200 is in budget and ticks all my boxes, is the ST220 worth getting into finance for over it? ST200 Saloon seems VERY well equipped
Seems like I'd get a minter for £2500, or £5000 for the ST220.
Are they hard to insure? Old mans car? I like 'em, what does PH say?
t84 said:
Been looking at these,
ST200 is in budget and ticks all my boxes, is the ST220 worth getting into finance for over it? ST200 Saloon seems VERY well equipped
Seems like I'd get a minter for £2500, or £5000 for the ST220.
Are they hard to insure? Old mans car? I like 'em, what does PH say?
Can't comment on the 200 but the 220 is a superb understated underrated beastie.ST200 is in budget and ticks all my boxes, is the ST220 worth getting into finance for over it? ST200 Saloon seems VERY well equipped
Seems like I'd get a minter for £2500, or £5000 for the ST220.
Are they hard to insure? Old mans car? I like 'em, what does PH say?
t84 said:
Been looking at these,
ST200 is in budget and ticks all my boxes, is the ST220 worth getting into finance for over it? ST200 Saloon seems VERY well equipped
Seems like I'd get a minter for £2500, or £5000 for the ST220.
Are they hard to insure? Old mans car? I like 'em, what does PH say?
Not a bad car but I've always seen them as very run of the mill and below average. Maybe that's a bit hard on them. But I always think for similar money you can get more luxury or more speed or better driving dynamics or better classier image. And even all of these combined in some cases.ST200 is in budget and ticks all my boxes, is the ST220 worth getting into finance for over it? ST200 Saloon seems VERY well equipped
Seems like I'd get a minter for £2500, or £5000 for the ST220.
Are they hard to insure? Old mans car? I like 'em, what does PH say?
What in particular attracts you to them?
300bhp/ton said:
t84 said:
Been looking at these,
ST200 is in budget and ticks all my boxes, is the ST220 worth getting into finance for over it? ST200 Saloon seems VERY well equipped
Seems like I'd get a minter for £2500, or £5000 for the ST220.
Are they hard to insure? Old mans car? I like 'em, what does PH say?
Not a bad car but I've always seen them as very run of the mill and below average. Maybe that's a bit hard on them. But I always think for similar money you can get more luxury or more speed or better driving dynamics or better classier image. And even all of these combined in some cases.ST200 is in budget and ticks all my boxes, is the ST220 worth getting into finance for over it? ST200 Saloon seems VERY well equipped
Seems like I'd get a minter for £2500, or £5000 for the ST220.
Are they hard to insure? Old mans car? I like 'em, what does PH say?
What in particular attracts you to them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRIxlzE2iLs
Edited by bigfatnick on Wednesday 4th November 03:57
I will let this talk to you instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79EeuCOd2Js
The ST24/200 do sound pretty similar though, it must be said, and I believe that has a K&N or similar to enhance the induction noise. The thing I love though, is that under 3000rpm or so, there is hardly a sound from the engine. Then the revs rise, the secondaries open and it grrrrowls like a tiger that has just seen lunch. This means that at real UK motorway speed you won't hear it - unless you want to.
To echo what was said up there, choose carefully. There are some dogs out there that feel rather tired, but also many that feel as eager and tight as they left the factory. I haven't driven an ST220 but, looking at things logically, the extra weight of the Mk 3 is going to take quite a big chunk out of that 20bhp extra.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79EeuCOd2JsThe ST24/200 do sound pretty similar though, it must be said, and I believe that has a K&N or similar to enhance the induction noise. The thing I love though, is that under 3000rpm or so, there is hardly a sound from the engine. Then the revs rise, the secondaries open and it grrrrowls like a tiger that has just seen lunch. This means that at real UK motorway speed you won't hear it - unless you want to.
To echo what was said up there, choose carefully. There are some dogs out there that feel rather tired, but also many that feel as eager and tight as they left the factory. I haven't driven an ST220 but, looking at things logically, the extra weight of the Mk 3 is going to take quite a big chunk out of that 20bhp extra.
bigfatnick said:
300bhp/ton said:
t84 said:
Been looking at these,
ST200 is in budget and ticks all my boxes, is the ST220 worth getting into finance for over it? ST200 Saloon seems VERY well equipped
Seems like I'd get a minter for £2500, or £5000 for the ST220.
Are they hard to insure? Old mans car? I like 'em, what does PH say?
Not a bad car but I've always seen them as very run of the mill and below average. Maybe that's a bit hard on them. But I always think for similar money you can get more luxury or more speed or better driving dynamics or better classier image. And even all of these combined in some cases.ST200 is in budget and ticks all my boxes, is the ST220 worth getting into finance for over it? ST200 Saloon seems VERY well equipped
Seems like I'd get a minter for £2500, or £5000 for the ST220.
Are they hard to insure? Old mans car? I like 'em, what does PH say?
What in particular attracts you to them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRIxlzE2iLs
Edited by bigfatnick on Wednesday 4th November 03:57
I'm also inclinded to believe an Impreza Sti or latter shape WRX would be faster and more fun. Or maybe even a Legacy of some sort for added practicality.
If its luxury and a good if not sporting drive the a V8 Cadillac Seville STS certaily beats the ST200 on every measure possible.
If you don't really need the practicality of the rear doors a DC2 ITR has to be more fun. Although a lot smaller car.
It's not that I dislike the Ford. It just seems to be a jack of all trades rather than a master at anyone thing. And is the sort of car you expect to see parked up in a council estate.
If you need a single car to do all things and have a family I can see the appeal. Guess it's just a bit too straight forward and sensible for me....
The Cadillac Seville STS should be avoided at all costs. It's more like a Rover than a sporting Mondeo and was widely panned. They also have head problems which necessitate the engine being dropped to get the heads off IIRC.
I would imagine the ST is a good steer, even the ST TDCi got a great write-up. Try it as I found my Mondeo 2.0 Mk II to be so tacky on the inside that it pained me to drive it. I hope the Mk III ST would overcome that. Just check everything electrical works.
I would imagine the ST is a good steer, even the ST TDCi got a great write-up. Try it as I found my Mondeo 2.0 Mk II to be so tacky on the inside that it pained me to drive it. I hope the Mk III ST would overcome that. Just check everything electrical works.
Go for the ST220 6sp. one of best cars i've owned. high speed stability is excellent, very practical (very important for me), cheap to run, good performance and a very good stereo.
i was trying to find a ST220 but settled on the Saab 9-3 Aero as i couldn't find a nice clean example within my budget at the time.
happy hunting.
i was trying to find a ST220 but settled on the Saab 9-3 Aero as i couldn't find a nice clean example within my budget at the time.
happy hunting.
LuS1fer said:
The Cadillac Seville STS should be avoided at all costs. It's more like a Rover than a sporting Mondeo and was widely panned. They also have head problems which necessitate the engine being dropped to get the heads off IIRC.
Normally I'd agree with you. Not sure I do on this though 
bigfatnick said:
i'd guess you've never driven a mk3 mondeo, theyre FANTASTIC (in the driving dynamics dept anyway, not so with image, but i found mine to be much more comfortable/quiet than, well, pretty much anything else, i remember comparing it against a mates e46 bmw, much more comfortable, shame the interior wasn't up to the same visual standard. One of the best cars i've ever driven, never mind owned, and paid peanuts for it, and i'm talking base model 1.8 lx, never mind the st220.
My wife has a 2.0 petrol mk3 ghia and while it's an ok car and she likes it your description is over egging the pudding to a huge degree. Don't get me wrong, it's a good car and my wife likes it a lot but "fantastic"... I don't think so. Each to their own though. The mk3 is a nicer place to be than the mk2 we had before but only marginally and mainly because it looks more modern and marginally less cheesey. Our mk2 was a 2.5 v6 and I think the mk2 handled slightly better and but was only more fun to drive because it was quicker.
300bhp/ton said:
Not a bad car but I've always seen them as very run of the mill and below average. Maybe that's a bit hard on them. But I always think for similar money you can get more luxury or more speed or better driving dynamics or better classier image. And even all of these combined in some cases.
What in particular attracts you to them?
I would like to "+1" this^^^.What in particular attracts you to them?
The driving dynamics arent bad, but theyre not that good either. The engine sounds good but feels wheezy and wont pull much higher numbers than what an 07 diesel will do.
For 5 large, there are better barges to be had and better Fords to be had.
Edited by 308mate on Friday 6th November 13:56
I don't have a ST220, but i do have a MK1 Mondeo Si, which i fitted with an ST220 Block and ST200 Intake Manifold. It's absolutely AWESOME to drive. 
Really meaty noise from the engine, but it's nice and quite when cruising on the Motorway.
Out of them both, i would suggest the 200 seing as it's already in your budget, and the performance is similiar to a 220, and you could easily see 220hp with the 2.5 block and a few choice mods.
If your prepared to go on finance though, then go for the 220. I'm not sure whether you could find a nice one for £5k, but it's worth a try.
Really meaty noise from the engine, but it's nice and quite when cruising on the Motorway.
Out of them both, i would suggest the 200 seing as it's already in your budget, and the performance is similiar to a 220, and you could easily see 220hp with the 2.5 block and a few choice mods.
If your prepared to go on finance though, then go for the 220. I'm not sure whether you could find a nice one for £5k, but it's worth a try.
NateWM said:
I don't have a ST220, but i do have a MK1 Mondeo Si, which i fitted with an ST220 Block and ST200 Intake Manifold. It's absolutely AWESOME to drive.
Really meaty noise from the engine, but it's nice and quite when cruising on the Motorway.
Out of them both, i would suggest the 200 seing as it's already in your budget, and the performance is similiar to a 220, and you could easily see 220hp with the 2.5 block and a few choice mods.
If your prepared to go on finance though, then go for the 220. I'm not sure whether you could find a nice one for £5k, but it's worth a try.
The answer to that is yes: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2009...Really meaty noise from the engine, but it's nice and quite when cruising on the Motorway.
Out of them both, i would suggest the 200 seing as it's already in your budget, and the performance is similiar to a 220, and you could easily see 220hp with the 2.5 block and a few choice mods.
If your prepared to go on finance though, then go for the 220. I'm not sure whether you could find a nice one for £5k, but it's worth a try.
Well the Missus has my old ST200 estate which I had as a company car from new (registered Jan 2000), it was re-mapped a couple of years back and the rolling road measured it at 220bhp (although prior to the re-map it was registered at 214bhp and the missus was primarily after better fuel consumption rather than BHP.)
It's still going strong at 176k miles although rust is coming through at the top of both rear wheel arches and the drivers seat side bolster is starting to show it's age.
It certainly covered the bases for us, a pretty big load area with the seats down and more than able at covering huge distances quickly, (it's been down to Southern Spain on at at least three times via the Dover-Calais route). Pretty capable round the B roads as well as the motorway.
It's still going strong at 176k miles although rust is coming through at the top of both rear wheel arches and the drivers seat side bolster is starting to show it's age.
It certainly covered the bases for us, a pretty big load area with the seats down and more than able at covering huge distances quickly, (it's been down to Southern Spain on at at least three times via the Dover-Calais route). Pretty capable round the B roads as well as the motorway.
Seesure said:
Well the Missus has my old ST200 estate which I had as a company car from new (registered Jan 2000), it was re-mapped a couple of years back and the rolling road measured it at 220bhp (although prior to the re-map it was registered at 214bhp and the missus was primarily after better fuel consumption rather than BHP.)
It's still going strong at 176k miles although rust is coming through at the top of both rear wheel arches and the drivers seat side bolster is starting to show it's age.
It certainly covered the bases for us, a pretty big load area with the seats down and more than able at covering huge distances quickly, (it's been down to Southern Spain on at at least three times via the Dover-Calais route). Pretty capable round the B roads as well as the motorway.
Are the estates much slower? I'm toying with an estate because I have a motorbike, so I think having a really practical car might be a good thing?It's still going strong at 176k miles although rust is coming through at the top of both rear wheel arches and the drivers seat side bolster is starting to show it's age.
It certainly covered the bases for us, a pretty big load area with the seats down and more than able at covering huge distances quickly, (it's been down to Southern Spain on at at least three times via the Dover-Calais route). Pretty capable round the B roads as well as the motorway.
300bhp/ton said:
..A Jaguar (3.0 AWD X-Type, XJR6, XJ8/R) or Lexus would seem to offer a better badge, nicer interior, more power and more luxury for similar money as well as RWD...
If you are thinking of getting a ST220, please do have a look at the X-Type 3.0. Its a slightly more powerful varient of the Mondeo 3.0 engine and you get lots of toys, leather etc. Plus you benefit from AWD with most of the torque through the rear wheels.A lot of the Mondeo parts/consumables fit the X-Type too, so running costs are similar (if you avoid the Jag stealers, that is!). Insurance on the 3.0 X-Typs is reasonable too as they tend to be driven by fairly sensible people!
t84 said:
Are the estates much slower? I'm toying with an estate because I have a motorbike, so I think having a really practical car might be a good thing?
According to the brochure - yes I still have an original sales brochure!Max speed for saloon and estate was 141mph
0-60 Saloon 7.7 secs, estate 7.8 secs
30-50 in 4th gear Saloon 6.6 secs and estate 6.7 secs.
You're probably going to find the selection of estate versions for sale will be very limited as there was only 155 of them sold in the UK. Making them more scarce than the 4 door Ltd edition.
Edited by Seesure on Wednesday 4th November 19:14
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