If you were designing the ultimate hot hatch...
If you were designing the ultimate hot hatch...
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Somnophore

Original Poster:

1,364 posts

206 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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What would the ingredients be?

Large NA engine
Smaller but turboed/supercharged or both.
Rough bhp
ideal performance figures
FWD or AWD
LSD?
handling
brakes
wheels etc

any ideas

cs02rm0

13,966 posts

221 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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Focus RS... with AWD. getmecoat

louismchuge

1,644 posts

214 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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Large NA engine - YES
Smaller but turboed/supercharged or both - YES
Rough bhp - st LOADS
ideal performance figures - AS ABOVE
FWD or AWD - YES
LSD? - wobble
handling - STEERING WEEL
brakes - UNNECESSARY
wheels etc - YES

Dift

1,687 posts

257 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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Smaller supercharged engine ~1.8 litre, 240 ish BHP, ~1000-1100kgs, 0-60 in around 6, FWD, LSD, perfect handling, nice 4 pot brakes, and some light wheels (MO's), little in the way of creature comforts (possibly ciggy lighter and a cheap radio).

marctwo

3,666 posts

290 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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Audi RS3. Turbo 5 pot. 350bhp. AWD. cloud9

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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MkV R32 but lighter with proper AWD for me

eightseventhree

2,266 posts

234 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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less than 1000kg!

stuckmojo

4,112 posts

218 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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It was done years ago




hyperblue

2,914 posts

210 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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Dift said:
Smaller supercharged engine ~1.8 litre, 240 ish BHP, ~1000-1100kgs, 0-60 in around 6, FWD, LSD, perfect handling, nice 4 pot brakes, and some light wheels (MO's), little in the way of creature comforts (possibly ciggy lighter and a cheap radio).
Sounds like a modified and stripped out R53 MINI Cooper S to me wink

Edited by hyperblue on Friday 22 January 12:27

kma

959 posts

224 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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something like an r26r with rwd, not quite as stripped out, a few more creature comforts but the weight kept as low as possible. maybe a little more power.

J-Tuner

2,855 posts

273 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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I think just give me a non-sunroof 205 Gti and at best drop a high revving engine in, perhaps a 106GTi block...and a full group N air filter and exhaust system for a bit of rasp. i think that would be a potent combo... drive it at 10/10's all the time biggrin

Edited by J-Tuner on Friday 22 January 12:29

Diablos-666

2,786 posts

208 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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BMW's 135i engine (3L Twin Turbo)
Power - 350bhp
4WD with the bias towards the back wheels 90/10 untill hard acceleration and then 50/50
Slip Diff - Yes
Weight - As low as possible or as close to 1000kg as possible
Body Style - MK focus rs / New Audi RS3 - Subtle looks unlike the new focus RS
Price - £20/25k
0-60 sub 5 secs

Now that is what id call a hot hatch!

Id buy it as long as it wasnt french!

Gad-Westy

16,615 posts

243 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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eightseventhree said:
less than 1000kg!
Yep, first thing on the spec sheet!

Smallish revvy n/a engine, it doesn't have to be a dragster, just enough to keep the driver amused.

And call it something like Peugot 205 GTi.

RobM77

35,349 posts

264 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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Already done - 106 Gti smile

Gad-Westy

16,615 posts

243 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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RobM77 said:
Already done - 106 Gti smile
Almost.... but 106 GTi engine, everything else 106 Rallye MK1. That would be better!

aka_kerrly

12,506 posts

240 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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i guess it would have to be along the same kind of lines as the renault clio Cup cars so a light weight version, no electronic aids, no air con, no abs just the essentials and hopefully a sub 1000Kg package.

the big hurdle for me is deciding which wheels id like to be driven.

Id be very content with a FWD 200-250hp NA screamer be it 4 or 6 cylinder , with quife slip diff, quaife 6 speed sequential box an as light weight as can be. BUT the advanatages of having 4wd especially with a active diffs to send majority of the power to the rear would be great but i reckon you would need another 100hp to really get the benefit given the extra weight of the AWD.

so i guess in essense a combination of the clio cup and golf R32?

MattsMINI

1,140 posts

202 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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Diablos-666 said:
BMW's 135i engine (3L Twin Turbo)
Power - 350bhp
4WD with the bias towards the back wheels 90/10 untill hard acceleration and then 50/50
Slip Diff - Yes
Weight - As low as possible or as close to 1000kg as possible
Body Style - MK focus rs / New Audi RS3 - Subtle looks unlike the new focus RS
Price - £20/25k
0-60 sub 5 secs

Now that is what id call a hot hatch!

Id buy it as long as it wasnt french!
All that for less than 25k? And trick 4WD for close to 1000kgs? I suppose we can all dream!

JR

14,332 posts

288 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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stuckmojo said:
It was done years ago

Good call.

Muzzer

3,814 posts

251 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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Lightweight - around 1000-1100kgs ideally
Large-ish NA engine
200 bhp
FWD
Well made and reliable.

Mk1/MK2 Golf GTI with some more power basically

Chapppers

4,483 posts

221 months

Friday 22nd January 2010
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Engine - 2.3 duratec NA with 9k redline.
BHP - 225-250
5.5 0-60
145mph
FWD or AWD - hmm, FWD seems to work so far.
LSD - yes.
handling - obviously really good
brakes - 330mm front, 300 rear.
wheels - 17 or 18.

Ideally you'd also want it sub 1250kg.

Actually I think you could solve this by sticking the R500 Duratec in a Mk1 FRS. That would be fun.