RE: PH fleet update: Clio Renaultsport 200
RE: PH fleet update: Clio Renaultsport 200
Friday 5th March 2010

PH Fleet Update: Clio Renaultsport 200

We bid a fond farewell to our capricious Clio after nine months and 10,000 miles



You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone. I'm fairly sure that Joni Mitchell wasn't thinking about the loss of the PH Fleet Clio Renaultsport 200 from our office car park, but her sentiments over the paving of paradise certainly echo how we feel about the departure of the diminutive hot hatch.

War paint
The bright white Clio arrived back in late summer 2009 and was immediately treated to the full look-at-me treatment with a whole load of PH smiley stickers. Editor Chris-R rather split office opinion with the 24-inch smiley on the roof, though: was it a smiley too far, or a neat nod to the jazzy roof treatments of more 'lifestyle' superminis such as the Mini Cooper or Fiat 500? The jury's still out on that one.


Track attack
With the Clio 200 suitably tattooed, it was time to head into 'battle' for some late summer/early autumn track days. We say battle because, although you're not racing at a track day, the way the Clio went around a track was as though it was sparring with the Tarmac.

It sounds weird, but think of the Clio as a terrier and a given piece of asphalt as an unfortunate rodent and you'll get some sense of how the Renaultsport 200 behaves on a circuit; the Clio feels like it worries a track into submission.

I think it must be the tenacity of the front end that makes it feel this way, the way it just bites on turn-in and holds on through a corner with almost no understeer. Or it could be the way the Clio's back end moves around under braking, wagging its tail like an enthusiastic dog, but never even threatening to let go. Either way, the Clio is a genuine hoot on a circuit.


Occasionally the circuit will bite back, though, as we discovered towards the end of our third track day, when large chunks started to drop off the offside front tyre. The combination of the Clio's 'bring it on' attitude and mine and Chris-R's over-exuberance with Bedford Autodrome's kerbs and broken concrete aprons probably had more to do with that than any weakness on the tyre's part, however...

Back to daily commuting
With the track day season over as autumn began to close in, the Clio launched back into a more everyday routine of commuting, with the occasional B-road run to help it stretch its legs.


The Clio certainly proved itself more than capable of the daily grind (just as a good hot hatch must) - even the extreme-looking £850 Recaro seats turned out to be supportive and comfy over long distances as well as high lateral gs - even if the buzzy engine and short gearing were occasionally wearing on the longest-haul trips.

We also began to realise just how spot-on the Clio Renaultsport is as a compromise between practicality, comfortable commutability, and balls-out back-road hammering. During this time we got a Seat Ibiza Cupra in for a week in the interests of comparison, and the contrast between the two cars was pretty stark. Yes, the Seat has a smarter-feeling, more up-to-date interior and yes, it has a very clever 7-speed DSG gearbox and reasonable amounts of poke. But if the point of a hot hatch is to provide a mixture of practicality, affordability and, most of all, fun with a capital F (and we would humbly suggest that it is), then the Seat misses its mark spectacularly. Because the fun side of the Seat Ibiza Cupra is a distinctly lower-case experience.


In essence, the problem is that where the Clio leaves you buzzing with excitement after a drive along a favourite road, having involved you at every step of the way, the Ibiza separates you from the driving experience. The DSG gearbox might be a clever piece of kit, but it feels closer in nature to an automatic than a proper manual, while the steering feels aloof. The thing is that the Ibiza might have the smarter interior and the glitzier spec, but the Clio delivers where it counts.

The point is that, to a buyer looking for a hot hatch that is genuinely at home on a track, but that can cope with the daily commute, the Clio hits the nail right on the head.


Now it's gone, and we miss it terribly. RacingPete's M3 might make a nicer noise, and Chris-R's XFR is a more comfy cruiser. But neither of them act like a maddened terrier when you take them out on a track...

Author
Discussion

DOVEY1988

Original Poster:

5 posts

201 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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definitly helps im stuck between which ca to get next but more of me says clio

soad

34,644 posts

205 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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Nice little car with just enough poke too.

LukeBird

17,170 posts

238 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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The ultimate modern hot hatch IMO.
Never driven a 200, but the 197 with Cup pack I drove was superb! thumbup

freakynessless

473 posts

211 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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I really know how these guys feel. When me and the mrs sold the 182 last July there wasnt a dry eye in house and we've been pining for it ever since.

The_Gza

592 posts

280 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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Must admit I had similar feelings for mt 172 Cup (the original version) when I had it. Still one of my favourite cars and a hoot when you were in the mood. Shame the poor Renault dealership experience coloured my views of the time with the Cup. Would I be tempted again? Once bitten...

SprintGT

43 posts

226 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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Couldn't agree more, a Renault Sport Clio is almost the ideal do everything daily driver for those who need a smile on their face on a daily basis.

To put this into perspective, I'm a Lotus and TVR specialist in France, so I have no shortage of very, very silly cars available to play with. But even I need an everyday car for the kids and the super-market run etc, what do I drive?

Yup, a Renault Sport Clio, albeit a slightly less flashy 197bhp 2006 one. Not planning to sell any time soon...might get round to washing the mud of the sides at some point though, downside of a trip to the local ski-resort in teh Pyrenees last weekend, had to get up there quick obvioulsy, didn't want to miss out on valuable skiing time...

Cheers
SprintGT

P.S. Downsides? Apart from the low-gearing on a long run as menioned, bit jiggly with the Cup chassis and almost as thirsty as an old Jag when it comes to the old "sans plomb".

Tim16V

422 posts

211 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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PH: When are we having the Q&A with the head of Renaultsport?

teapea

693 posts

215 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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I still don't like how this car looks, the 197 was just prettier.

ganser

103 posts

228 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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Shame they changed the design of the front from the previous 197. That looked so much better. And the hidden tailpipes were also a nice touch

pistolp

1,719 posts

251 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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The 200 has grown on me, I had a 197 for 3 years and loved it as a daily hack in london. I just picked up a clio trophy this morning which seems to be even more fun.

My car never went wrong once in 15000 miles, never missed a beat. The electronics had a hissy fit once but restored themselves when I turned it off and then on again.

I loved the hidden exhausts as well, shame about those new ones on the 200. Reminds me of those rubbish pipes ont the range rover supercharged.

mainaman

428 posts

214 months

Saturday 6th March 2010
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Obviously i am biased towards the Cupra,but while the Clio is more FUN to chuck around,if you can afford only one car the Seat is probably the better proposition,even for ''true enthusiasts''.Not that the Clio is bad daily driver,but neither is the Cupra so ''dull'' as the media continue to implyrolleyes

I also prefer the 197's looks,there was no need to mess with it.

Edited by mainaman on Monday 8th March 05:53

Chicken Pox

476 posts

203 months

Saturday 6th March 2010
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Prefer the 197, but I would say that wink , the front end treatment looks alot better in the flesh, but wheelbarrow handles on the back over the slash cuts was a bad idea imho.

Mafioso

2,410 posts

243 months

Saturday 6th March 2010
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Does anyone else think that front bumper would look so much better in the body colour? Anybody bored enough to 'shop it?

CooperS

4,580 posts

248 months

Sunday 7th March 2010
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Mafioso said:
Does anyone else think that front bumper would look so much better in the body colour? Anybody bored enough to 'shop it?
No seen it and still has nothing on the 197... how did Renault go backwards by such a margin. The car may drive better but looks horrid when sat next to a tidy 197.

SwineFluPirate

306 posts

240 months

Sunday 7th March 2010
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I dissagree. When my 197 was parked next to a 200 at the dealers, i thought it looked very dated. I personally feel they have moved the game on in terms of looks and driveability.




v15ben

16,216 posts

270 months

Sunday 7th March 2010
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Can't beat a good Renaultsport Clio as a fun everyday all-rounder!
Just been out for a dusk hoon down the local countryside lanes in my 182 and it put a big smile on my face (as always!) thumbup

RichyBoy

3,749 posts

246 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Any deals available on the 200 cup?


Mafioso

2,410 posts

243 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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SwineFluPirate said:
I dissagree. When my 197 was parked next to a 200 at the dealers, i thought it looked very dated. I personally feel they have moved the game on in terms of looks and driveability.
I disagree with your disagreement. Thus:


vs.



The latter just looks unfinished to me...

SwineFluPirate

306 posts

240 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Well we will have to agree to dissagree. Oh, and i think i'm more than capable of giving an unbiased opinion, seeing as i own a 197.

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

271 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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RichyBoy said:
Any deals available on the 200 cup?
Broadspeed was the best I could find

Edited by NoelWatson on Monday 8th March 16:12