Stolen Vehicle slowdown

[HOGEPH]

OnStar in the US, a car tracking service, now offer a service to remotely slow down a suitably equipped stolen car, thus preventing high speed chases. How long do you think we'll have to wait for this in the UK?

[havoc]

How long before the government use that technology to rigidly and continuously enforce speed-limits on everyone so-equipped, you mean?!?

[MitchT]

havoc said:

How long before the government use that technology to rigidly and continuously enforce speed-limits on everyone so-equipped, you mean?!?

I don't think the government actually want us to slow down, they just want us to think that they want us to slow down. After all, if we did slow down there'd be no speeding fines and then they'd have to find an alternate source of revenue.

[havoc]

MitchT said:

havoc said:

How long before the government use that technology to rigidly and continuously enforce speed-limits on everyone so-equipped, you mean?!?

I don't think the government actually want us to slow down, they just want us to think that they want us to slow down. After all, if we did slow down there'd be no speeding fines and then they'd have to find an alternate source of revenue.

Revenue from such fines is actually very small in the grand scheme of things, and when you look at the administrative burden and costs borne by the courts, the DVLA and the police/SCP's, it all of a sudden looks very pitiful, financially.


What they WANT is social control. (Relatively) unfettered mobility is one of the biggest freedoms left to us in this country...any way they can slowly erode/reduce that is a winner as far as they are concerned.

[TwistingMyMelon]

I'm guessing that system, like trackers works off GPS ( I could be wrong this is a guess!). In that case I would just spend £100 on on of these:

http://shoponspot.com/mini-gps-blocker-with-ac-and...

Job Done

[Dogwatch]

HOGEPH said:

OnStar in the US, a car tracking service, now offer a service to remotely slow down a suitably equipped stolen car, thus preventing high speed chases. How long do you think we'll have to wait for this in the UK?

Flip side is that what OnStar can do legally then suitably equipped baddies can do illegally to steal the car, contents or occupants.

Ok, they'd have to disable the car receiver afterwards if they wanted to steal the car

[mrmr96]

Dogwatch said:

HOGEPH said:

OnStar in the US, a car tracking service, now offer a service to remotely slow down a suitably equipped stolen car, thus preventing high speed chases. How long do you think we'll have to wait for this in the UK?

Flip side is that what OnStar can do legally then suitably equipped baddies can do illegally to steal the car, contents or occupants.

Ok, they'd have to disable the car receiver afterwards if they wanted to steal the car

Are you drunk? I don't understand what you're talking about. Can you re-phrase your point? Cheers.

[Dare2Fail]

mrmr96 said:

Dogwatch said:

HOGEPH said:

OnStar in the US, a car tracking service, now offer a service to remotely slow down a suitably equipped stolen car, thus preventing high speed chases. How long do you think we'll have to wait for this in the UK?

Flip side is that what OnStar can do legally then suitably equipped baddies can do illegally to steal the car, contents or occupants.

Ok, they'd have to disable the car receiver afterwards if they wanted to steal the car

Are you drunk? I don't understand what you're talking about. Can you re-phrase your point? Cheers.

I think he's getting at the point that if OnStar can slow down the car using that technology, then a criminal could hack the system and slow down the car when the legal owner is driving. Thus making it easier to steal, or steal from.

Personally, I can't see how a car driving at 30mph is any easier to steal than one doing 70mph.

[davepoth]

Onstar uses a combination of GPS and mobile phone technology IIRC. The slowing the car down bit would be done with a mobile signal which would be harder to block I imagine.

[mrmr96]

Dare2Fail said:

mrmr96 said:

Dogwatch said:

HOGEPH said:

OnStar in the US, a car tracking service, now offer a service to remotely slow down a suitably equipped stolen car, thus preventing high speed chases. How long do you think we'll have to wait for this in the UK?

Flip side is that what OnStar can do legally then suitably equipped baddies can do illegally to steal the car, contents or occupants.

Ok, they'd have to disable the car receiver afterwards if they wanted to steal the car

Are you drunk? I don't understand what you're talking about. Can you re-phrase your point? Cheers.

I think he's getting at the point that if OnStar can slow down the car using that technology, then a criminal could hack the system and slow down the car when the legal owner is driving. Thus making it easier to steal, or steal from.

Personally, I can't see how a car driving at 30mph is any easier to steal than one doing 70mph.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarification.

On the point of 30mph vs 70mph, the car will be inherently easier to stop/gain access too as it's the very reason why the police would find the Onstar service (used corretly) to be of assistance. At the very least you can get ahead of the car to box it in much easier, if it's going slowly.

[GKP]

Clifford Blackjax.

[bazking69]

GKP said:

Clifford Blackjax.

Indeed. Has been about since the mid 90s. As have many other novel products if you wanted to pay the subscription on them.

Personally I'd like a service that enabled you, the owner, to remotely control the car having been informed, with voice interaction. Think X-Box 360, but where the pikey scroat in your P&J get his justice in the form of being driven into a tree at high speed having had your thoughts voiced to him moments before.

[marshalla]

It seems that these systems are very open to abuse : http://techdirt.com/articles/20100317/2215398608.s...

[ZesPak]

Why slowing down?
Why not just shutting off the engine?
Or to avoid accidents, just disable the accellerator?

I mean, why just slow down, the police even have to bring it to a halt, risking an accident/extra damage to the car?

I can not really see the point in that, that would be like 'cuffs with very long chains: yes, they have near full mobility, but the chain is pretty bothersome from time to time.

[mrmr96]

ZesPak said:

Why slowing down?
Why not just shutting off the engine?
Or to avoid accidents, just disable the accellerator?

I mean, why just slow down, the police even have to bring it to a halt, risking an accident/extra damage to the car?

I can not really see the point in that, that would be like 'cuffs with very long chains: yes, they have near full mobility, but the chain is pretty bothersome from time to time.

Shutting off the engine would mean that the servo assisted brakes would no longer function effectivly.

Shutting off the accelerator would seem like a fairly sensible thing to do, but there could be occasions where this was dangerous: For example if the crook didn't know he was being pursued and stopped on a level crossing with a railway, or on a roundabout, or a cross roads, or a slip road, or any number of other places where a stranded car would be dangerous to other road users, not just the occupants.

It does seem weird at first "why not turn the engine off?" but I think that when you think about the potential problems with an immobile vehicle being stranded in the wrong place, it does kinda make sense that they can move themselves from harms way, but not so quickly they can realistically escape.

To use the 'chains' example, it would be the difference between a chain so short the criminal gets caught in the doors of a lift, for example. He must have the lee-way to avoid harm as you can't just stop at random and be guaranteed to be in a safe place.

[ZesPak]

mrmr96 said:

ZesPak said:

Why slowing down?
Why not just shutting off the engine?
Or to avoid accidents, just disable the accellerator?

I mean, why just slow down, the police even have to bring it to a halt, risking an accident/extra damage to the car?

I can not really see the point in that, that would be like 'cuffs with very long chains: yes, they have near full mobility, but the chain is pretty bothersome from time to time.

Shutting off the engine would mean that the servo assisted brakes would no longer function effectivly.

Shutting off the accelerator would seem like a fairly sensible thing to do, but there could be occasions where this was dangerous: For example if the crook didn't know he was being pursued and stopped on a level crossing with a railway, or on a roundabout, or a cross roads, or a slip road, or any number of other places where a stranded car would be dangerous to other road users, not just the occupants.

It does seem weird at first "why not turn the engine off?" but I think that when you think about the potential problems with an immobile vehicle being stranded in the wrong place, it does kinda make sense that they can move themselves from harms way, but not so quickly they can realistically escape.

To use the 'chains' example, it would be the difference between a chain so short the criminal gets caught in the doors of a lift, for example. He must have the lee-way to avoid harm as you can't just stop at random and be guaranteed to be in a safe place.

It could warn the crook on the impending stop, as many systems in use to day do.

My dad's e-class has such a "carjack" system, which will ask for a code after a couple of minutes, and gives a signal at about 10km that the vehicle will stop. I understand your point, but any vehicle can brakedown at any point, but that shouldn't be a problem when warned...