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TVR Sagaris

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1,450 posts

263 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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Long time since I've been on these forums, I hope this is in the right section.

I've been driving a 998cc Mini for the last year, and that was my first car (I'm 18 now). My insurance is about to run out and I want something new; I had basically decided to get a Peugeot 306 D-Turbo, as I thought the insurance wouldn't be too harsh (it's only group 5), fuel economy would be pretty good and performance would be acceptable. You can also pick a decent mk1 up for £700, so it all looked good. Then I tried to get an insurance quote on one.

I've already paid two grand for insurance on the Mini, so I was hoping this year would be considerably cheaper. Direct Line won't give me a quote on the 306 and after one of those typical insurance company phone calls I got a quote for nearly £6,000 on a 306 from Adrian Flux, so I've given up on that unless someone knows an amazing insurance company that won't bankrupt me.

The strange thing is, I got a quote for £600 for a classic policy on the Mini a couple of months ago, so I'm now wondering if my cheapest option is to buy something 20+ years old. It probably needs to be under 1.6l, but I'd like something with some go. 0-60 in around 10 seconds is probably as fast as I can afford to go.

The obvious choice here is a Peugeot 205 GTI 1.6, but I doubt I'll have a chance of getting insurance on one of those (I'm prepared to give it a shot, anyway).

I wasn't intending to spend more than £1000, although that depends on how much I can sell the Mini for.

So 20+ years old, under 1.6l. Suggestions please. Suggestions outside the parameters are also welcome, if they're interesting.

War Pig

1,527 posts

223 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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I'd keep the Mini.

theironduke

6,995 posts

219 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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When i was 20 i briefly had a XJ40 Jag! on a classic policy it was about £500 a year! it was the 15mpg which forced my hand in getting rid frown

TVR Sagaris

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1,450 posts

263 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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The problem with keeping the Mini is that I'm a bit tired of its lack of power. I've put a stage 1 kit on (new manifolds and exhaust), which helped, but unless you start spending lots of money the gains after that are limited.

I would consider buying one with a 1275 but it will almost certainly need welding, which I don't want.

The XJ40 is tempting, as are things like E30/E34 BMWs which are so cheap now, although neither an XJ40 or E34 would be easy to own.

I've been dreaming about Saab 900 Turbos, too.


snotrag

15,746 posts

242 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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Its a pity about the D-turbo - however - they used to be really cheap to insure. Until they dropped to a certain price point, and they are now all owned by yoofs, who wind the fuel pump right up, undo the torsion bar, drive around in a cloud of smoke until they crash backwards into a hedge.

Its almost a case of 'you've missed that boat' im afraid.


A ZX TD may be cheaper to insure?

Alternatives - Ford Focus 1.6 has a really low insurance rating if you can get one to scrape into budget.

Or rather than a 205 GTi - what about a 106? They do a 1.4 XS model which is slightly sprightlier than the vanilla models, good looking and good to drive, just a bit harder to find.

Mk3 fiesta was available in an insurance friendly 1.6 Si model, just gotta find one thats not rotten. Or a later Mk4 or 5 fiesta with the 1.25 Zetec.

Tonberry

2,300 posts

223 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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Have you tried the 306 HDI, rather than the 1.9 DT?

TVR Sagaris

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1,450 posts

263 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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Yeah, half of the D-Turbos on ebay have got ruined gear boxes through the owner's stupidity.

I hadn't thought about ZXs (and I can't say I'm a great fan), but it looks like they are a little bit cheaper to insure than 306s. Still far more than I'd be willing to pay, though.

The 106 is a good suggestion, and I do like 106s. They're almost as small as a Mini, however, and I was hoping to move to something bigger. I'll keep the 106 in mind.

Couldn't find any Focus 1.6s within my budget, and a Fiesta doesn't really interest me.

306 HDIs are a bit more expensive to buy, so any minimal improvement in insurance costs would probably be outweighed.

Then there's this http://carandclassic.co.uk/car/C138665/



Edited by TVR Sagaris on Thursday 1st April 21:03

hotmelt

861 posts

204 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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You can find cheap 405 in good state too, same handling as 205, but more crashworthy(it is larger). Be ready for sharp reflexes when oversteering though. Even better to drive than 306.

TVR Sagaris

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1,450 posts

263 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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Funnily enough I started out looking at (turbo) diesel 405 saloons.

I've just done a quick Comparethemarket quote on a petrol 405 and a 1.6 205 GTI and they came out roughly the same - how can that be possible?

What's weirder is that they were about the same as the 306 quotes too; might even have been a bit cheaper.

I'm going to get a phone quote for a 205 GTI tomorrow.

shirt

25,548 posts

232 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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Lancaster allow anything over 15yrs on their classic policy.

check the thread tomorrow, I'll have to go back a year or so on my old posts but I should be able to find the number of an excellent broker who beat the next best quote on my e28 by half.