Honda Civic Type-S
Discussion
My Mum seems to have gone from liking the Honda Jazz to wanting a Honda Civic - seemingly due to having managed to spend an hour in one Honda dealer looking at the Jazz without even noticing the Civic and then walking into a more local dealer to look at the Jazz for the second time only to see the Civic and say "Oh I like that".
Seems pretty simple, Honda reliability, Type-S means it looks a little sporty despite being a 1.4.
Anyone got one and have any thoughts/opinions?
Is there a new Civic on the way?
Seems pretty simple, Honda reliability, Type-S means it looks a little sporty despite being a 1.4.
Anyone got one and have any thoughts/opinions?
Is there a new Civic on the way?
300bhp/ton said:
In the car world, right from the very beginning there is always a new version of some kind on the way.
I think the point is that if there is a new model that is due imminently then obviously you want to reflect that in the money you pay for the 'old' model.OP - I've not heard of a civic replacement due any time soon but many others will have a better idea on that.
300bhp/ton said:
paddyhasneeds said:
Is there a new Civic on the way?
Does it matter?I think most people would "come back tomorrow" if buying a £500 TV and they knew that tomorrow a new model would be launched that was the same price - let alone £16k on a car, so I think it plays a part.
Fire99 said:
300bhp/ton said:
In the car world, right from the very beginning there is always a new version of some kind on the way.
I think the point is that if there is a new model that is due imminently then obviously you want to reflect that in the money you pay for the 'old' model.Also new model prices are commonly higher than the model they replace.
And again, it goes back to the waiting part. So what if there's a new model to be announced in 6 months time, if you want to buy a car today, this week. Then you don't really have the choice of the new one.
As for depreciation, well all cars lose money, but only when you sell them. Up until that time, you won't lose a penny. So it should then be more of a question of how long do you plan to own it for. Buying the "new" model and keeping it 3 years will likely lose a similar amount to buying the current model now and also keeping it 3 years.
And besides, if residuals are that important, buying a middle of the road mass produced hatchback new is hardly the way to go.
It's 4 year or so old now, but has had a recent (very minor) facelift and there's been no rumblings of replacement just yet so can't see it happening for a couple of years at least.
They're good cars. The later 1.4 engine makes 100bhp so quick enough and economical with it. My 2.2 has been great, vast amount of room for it's size too. The rear visibility isn't great but the screen split is at just the right height to cut out headlight dazzle, and the wing mirrors are enormous so just drive it like a van.
Avoid the i-Shift system too, it hasn't won many fans - slow pull-aways, hunting around gears, usually being in the wrong gear at any given time. They do a proper auto these days (5-door only though) if she wants one.
They're good cars. The later 1.4 engine makes 100bhp so quick enough and economical with it. My 2.2 has been great, vast amount of room for it's size too. The rear visibility isn't great but the screen split is at just the right height to cut out headlight dazzle, and the wing mirrors are enormous so just drive it like a van.
Avoid the i-Shift system too, it hasn't won many fans - slow pull-aways, hunting around gears, usually being in the wrong gear at any given time. They do a proper auto these days (5-door only though) if she wants one.
Taita said:
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te rear visibility through the RV mirror - made up by extra convex side mirrors meaning distance is hard to judge.
That's quite interesting actually - one of the reasons my Mum wants to change is that she finds her current car (a mk3 MX-5) has "poor visibility", which I find a little odd as I have a Boxster and whilst it's a little bit bigger inside you turn around and "there's the outside", but it's her perception of the car which matters.te rear visibility through the RV mirror - made up by extra convex side mirrors meaning distance is hard to judge.I bought a 1.8 petrol Type S-GT last September as my work horse, 15k miles/pa. I test drove a 5 door and found it very appealing. I then bought a 3 door (Type S & S-GT only come in the 3 door variant). The rear visibility is very poor in the 3 door car, ‘B’ pillar stops all ‘over the shoulder vision. I also realised after buying it that the Civic has not got a rear wipe, not a big problem though because the centre spoiler prevents dirt getting to the upper rear window. The seats are also annoying, when folded forward to gain rear seat access; they return to factory position rather than where I last had them.
In hindsight I should have bought the 5 door variant or better still the equivalent Ford Focus as the Focus chassis is better fun to drive.
In hindsight I should have bought the 5 door variant or better still the equivalent Ford Focus as the Focus chassis is better fun to drive.
bobfather said:
I bought a 1.8 petrol Type S-GT last September as my work horse, 15k miles/pa. I test drove a 5 door and found it very appealing. I then bought a 3 door (Type S & S-GT only come in the 3 door variant). The rear visibility is very poor in the 3 door car, ‘B’ pillar stops all ‘over the shoulder vision. I also realised after buying it that the Civic has not got a rear wipe, not a big problem though because the centre spoiler prevents dirt getting to the upper rear window. The seats are also annoying, when folded forward to gain rear seat access; they return to factory position rather than where I last had them.
In hindsight I should have bought the 5 door variant or better still the equivalent Ford Focus as the Focus chassis is better fun to drive.
I remember now thats exactly what Mum has. Likes the big double sunroof though.In hindsight I should have bought the 5 door variant or better still the equivalent Ford Focus as the Focus chassis is better fun to drive.
I also have driven it - liked the 6 speed gearbox and it was fairly quick (to me).
paddyhasneeds said:
Taita said:
ste rear visibility through the RV mirror - made up by extra convex side mirrors meaning distance is hard to judge.
That's quite interesting actually - one of the reasons my Mum wants to change is that she finds her current car (a mk3 MX-5) has "poor visibility", which I find a little odd as I have a Boxster and whilst it's a little bit bigger inside you turn around and "there's the outside", but it's her perception of the car which matters.te rear visibility through the RV mirror - made up by extra convex side mirrors meaning distance is hard to judge.Type-S is a 1.8 petrol or the 2.2 diesel.
As above, rear-visibility is woeful (parking sensors are essential), and reliability is no longer a given - IMHO any 90s-era Honda will still be going when Armageddon arrives (along with 80s Mercs and 80s Volvos), but since then they've cut the same corners and outsourced the same parts as any other mainstream manufacturer, albeit their factory-tolerances and QC are probably still better than most).
Looks aside, I'd actually recommend a last-of-the-line previous-gen Civic to the current one, as they'd ironed out most of the bugs and it's a more practical car. IMHO the interior ergonomics are also better, and (not that it'll matter much) it runs independent rear suspension.
As above, rear-visibility is woeful (parking sensors are essential), and reliability is no longer a given - IMHO any 90s-era Honda will still be going when Armageddon arrives (along with 80s Mercs and 80s Volvos), but since then they've cut the same corners and outsourced the same parts as any other mainstream manufacturer, albeit their factory-tolerances and QC are probably still better than most).
Looks aside, I'd actually recommend a last-of-the-line previous-gen Civic to the current one, as they'd ironed out most of the bugs and it's a more practical car. IMHO the interior ergonomics are also better, and (not that it'll matter much) it runs independent rear suspension.
pbirkett said:
Excuse me? A 1.4 Type-S !!!???
Thats a bit like putting a track suit on a couch potato, and trying to say he looks "sporty!"
lol, think you've got it the wrong way round. It WILL look sporty, infact will look the same as any other Type S I suspect. It just won't perform, but if it's looks you want it has it.Thats a bit like putting a track suit on a couch potato, and trying to say he looks "sporty!"
I've got a 59 plate 2.2 diesel Type S GT.
Cockpit is a really nice place to be, so with high mileage for work and rearely having passengers it was the sensible option for me. However, if you regularly reverse park or have people in the rear, I would go for the 5 door or maybe Ford or Vauxhall. The Astra Sports Hatch is quite nive to look at if that's imprtant.
Cockpit is a really nice place to be, so with high mileage for work and rearely having passengers it was the sensible option for me. However, if you regularly reverse park or have people in the rear, I would go for the 5 door or maybe Ford or Vauxhall. The Astra Sports Hatch is quite nive to look at if that's imprtant.
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