Clio 172 phase 2 not as quick as phase 1?
Clio 172 phase 2 not as quick as phase 1?
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gareth172

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8 posts

200 months

Tuesday 6th April 2010
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I had a clio sport 172 for my first car 2 years ago and remember it being really quick, i then when over to a subaru turbo 2000, and now back to a clio 172 again only i could swear its not as quick as my old one? both had k-tec steal exaust systems? is this the case or?

v1paul

723 posts

207 months

Tuesday 6th April 2010
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Don't have a clue if it isn't as fast, but maybe it just felt faster because it was your first car?

loose cannon

6,059 posts

272 months

Tuesday 6th April 2010
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mk1 172 has a cable throttle mk2 is all done buy a wire and a computer with a nice little spring to make it feel ok. thats what feels different m8ty wink

J4CKO

47,061 posts

231 months

Tuesday 6th April 2010
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Its what is called a "Turbocharger", it provides torque to engines with otherwise low torque outputs, I decided I wanted a 182 for my short commute after a series of Turbo's, Fiat Coupe, T5 Volvo, Saabs etc and it felt flat as a fart in comparison, very dissapointing.

They are quick little cars, they are fast round a track due to the handling, but they only feel really quick if you are coming from say a Saxo VTR or other tepid hatch, even if on paper the Clio is as quick it wont feel as quick and you have to give them death to go anywhere, they dont suit a lazy driving style that a turbo allows.

Si 330

1,306 posts

240 months

Tuesday 6th April 2010
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Alternatively you have 2 years of beer, kebabs and pies sitting around your gut.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

280 months

Tuesday 6th April 2010
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could be that your second 172 isn't as 'healthy' as your first

I've had 3 205 1.9 and the second was by far the fastest of the lot, all totally standard

gareth172

Original Poster:

8 posts

200 months

Tuesday 6th April 2010
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Yes poss i'm just a little more plump lol, what sort of service issues would affect it? i did think that its because im coming from a turbo to start with but? just wondered if it was a heavy car ect? cheers everybody by the way

John D.

21,164 posts

240 months

Tuesday 6th April 2010
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Mk1 172 is lighter but has longer gear ratios. Mk2 172 is heavier but has shorter gear ratios (designed to give same 0-60 as Mk1).

TBH every real world 'comparison' I've had with all the different 172/182 variants has shown there is fk all in it. I suppose the Mk1 might have simply felt quicker as it is less refined - this is a big part of the RS Clio experience IMO, you really feel like you're moving compared to other cars. Or as said perhaps one was a good one and the other wasn't.

gareth172

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8 posts

200 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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Obviously a decent induction kit and set of tyres would make a diffrence is there any best suited to a 172 or any fuel treatments ect?

John D.

21,164 posts

240 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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gareth172 said:
Obviously a decent induction kit and set of tyres would make a diffrence is there any best suited to a 172 or any fuel treatments ect?
Not really. Best on the market is the ITG Maxogen induction kit. But its silly expensive for the minimal gain it gives. Cheaper items do pretty much fk all.

Decent tyres are important (as they are on any performance car). I favoured Michelin PE2 (these were OE on the 182).

As for fuel treatments laugh Many owners run them on 95 and swear it makes no difference to super.

GC8

19,910 posts

221 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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doogz said:
J4CKO said:
Its what is called a "Turbocharger", it provides torque to engines with otherwise low torque outputs, I decided I wanted a 182 for my short commute after a series of Turbo's, Fiat Coupe, T5 Volvo, Saabs etc and it felt flat as a fart in comparison, very dissapointing.

They are quick little cars, they are fast round a track due to the handling, but they only feel really quick if you are coming from say a Saxo VTR or other tepid hatch, even if on paper the Clio is as quick it wont feel as quick and you have to give them death to go anywhere, they dont suit a lazy driving style that a turbo allows.
i dont think you read the OP right.
This is PH - he can go off at a tangent if he likes.

matt1269

598 posts

205 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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You want a 172 cup. The extra wind/tyre noise makes it sound like it's going fast wink

John D.

21,164 posts

240 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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matt1269 said:
You want a 172 cup. The extra wind/tyre noise makes it sound like it's going fast wink
This is true biggrin

joe_90

4,206 posts

262 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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I had a ph1, then got a ph2 cup.. The ph1 was defiantly quicker, and was much much happier spinning up and smashing into the limiter. I think it was just a 'better' engine.

GC8

19,910 posts

221 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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The Crack Fox said:
gareth172 said:
Obviously a decent induction kit and set of tyres would make a diffrence is there any best suited to a 172 or any fuel treatments ect?
Sorry Gareth, but rofl, induction kits and fuel treatments will make no tangible difference on a Clio, you may as well treat yourself to an electric supercharger and magnetic fuel saver for the difference you'll feel. Decent tyres are a sensible option, but they won't make you go any faster in a straight line.

I suspect having tasted a quick(er) car, your perception of 'quick' has changed...
*nods*

Electric supercharger FTW!

loose cannon

6,059 posts

272 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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joe_90 said:
I had a ph1, then got a ph2 cup.. The ph1 was defiantly quicker, and was much much happier spinning up and smashing into the limiter. I think it was just a 'better' engine.
its the same engine !! but the later cars have fly by wire throttle!!!!! makes them feel more lethargic compared to the instant throttle response of a cable operated throttle which the mk1 172
really makes for a less frantic throttle on the phase 2 i have driven all the variants of clio's even the sallon. been a few 197 that have gone over to cable throttles let alone late 182 and 172's

skene

2,833 posts

203 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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The Crack Fox said:
I suspect having tasted a quick(er) car, your perception of 'quick' has changed...
yes +1

gareth172

Original Poster:

8 posts

200 months

Thursday 8th April 2010
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Think i will look a little deeper into the electric supercharger,can anybody recomend one or a company for one? cheers everbody for all your help by the way

GC8

19,910 posts

221 months

Thursday 8th April 2010
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Excellently deadpan; I hope..... biggrin