Ron Dennis - The Bugatti Veyron is a piece of junk
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Oh and the Top Gear race between the F1 and Veyron in Abu Dhabi was rigged to make the Veyron look good...
Methinks McLaren road cars are planning a Veyron killer once the MP4-12C is out.
Oh and the Top Gear race between the F1 and Veyron in Abu Dhabi was rigged to make the Veyron look good...
Methinks McLaren road cars are planning a Veyron killer once the MP4-12C is out.
ajprice said:
Methinks McLaren road cars are planning a Veyron killer once the MP4-12C is out.
Has nobody actually paid attention to the recent Mclaren development?They announced way way back that the MP12-4c is the 'middle' of the range model....to take on the 911 market.
A more powerful, Mclaren F1 'replacement' is in development and due for release in 2011.
So yes.....they are planning a Veyron beater
Spiritual_Beggar said:
ajprice said:
Methinks McLaren road cars are planning a Veyron killer once the MP4-12C is out.
Has nobody actually paid attention to the recent Mclaren development?They announced way way back that the MP12-4c is the 'middle' of the range model....to take on the 911 market.
A more powerful, Mclaren F1 'replacement' is in development and due for release in 2011.
So yes.....they are planning a Veyron beater
The Veyron was only built for straight line stuff.
What makes the Mac F1 so incrediable is that it reached its top speed with 'only' 650ish bhp. Yes I know the law of aerodynamics for every extra 1 mph you need an extra...
The Mac F1 was hardly any the best through the corners anyway, all IIRC of course.
What makes the Mac F1 so incrediable is that it reached its top speed with 'only' 650ish bhp. Yes I know the law of aerodynamics for every extra 1 mph you need an extra...
The Mac F1 was hardly any the best through the corners anyway, all IIRC of course.
coley20 said:
Do we think its correct about the race fixing?
It doesn't read to me as though it's fixing, assuming the Veyron IS faster, more that it's more difficult to launch. Fixing implies to me that they nobbled the F1/upped something on the Veyron.TBH, that's Ron being Ron...
ETA, Just to add that I'm not putting words in your mouth c20, I know Ron's saying it was rigged, but from what he's described it doesn't sound like it was to me.
Edited by DrTre on Tuesday 13th April 17:14
DrTre said:
coley20 said:
Do we think its correct about the race fixing?
It doesn't read to me as though it's fixing, assuming the Veyron IS faster, more that it's more difficult to launch. Fixing implies to me that they nobbled the F1/upped something on the Veyron.TBH, that's Ron being Ron...
Edited by DrTre on Tuesday 13th April 17:10
Slightly OT, but I remember when the Veyron was launched there was a claimed stat that if a McLaren F1 were doing 100mph on its way to 200 and the Veyron launched from zero it would still get 200 mph ahead of the F1. Amazing but....
I was flicking through and old Evo and they recorded the Veyron 0-200 time as 28.6 seconds. Autocar put the F1's at 28 seconds dead. I don't know how comparable the test conditions were but on the face of it, the F1 wouldn't need any headstart and would still be quicker to 200mph.
It seems the McLaren may have been dealt an injustice!
I was flicking through and old Evo and they recorded the Veyron 0-200 time as 28.6 seconds. Autocar put the F1's at 28 seconds dead. I don't know how comparable the test conditions were but on the face of it, the F1 wouldn't need any headstart and would still be quicker to 200mph.
It seems the McLaren may have been dealt an injustice!
Gad-Westy said:
Slightly OT, but I remember when the Veyron was launched there was a claimed stat that if a McLaren F1 were doing 100mph on its way to 200 and the Veyron launched from zero it would still get 200 mph ahead of the F1. Amazing but....
I was flicking through and old Evo and they recorded the Veyron 0-200 time as 28.6 seconds. Autocar put the F1's at 28 seconds dead. I don't know how comparable the test conditions were but on the face of it, the F1 wouldn't need any headstart and would still be quicker to 200mph.
It seems the McLaren may have been dealt an injustice!
That sounds waaay too slow for the Veyron- from memory I thought it was somewhere around 20 sec to 200mph (as it probably gets to the ton in around 5 and a bit?)I was flicking through and old Evo and they recorded the Veyron 0-200 time as 28.6 seconds. Autocar put the F1's at 28 seconds dead. I don't know how comparable the test conditions were but on the face of it, the F1 wouldn't need any headstart and would still be quicker to 200mph.
It seems the McLaren may have been dealt an injustice!
Still- remember that the Mac F1 is now, what, 16 or 17 years old?!?
Gad-Westy said:
Slightly OT, but I remember when the Veyron was launched there was a claimed stat that if a McLaren F1 were doing 100mph on its way to 200 and the Veyron launched from zero it would still get 200 mph ahead of the F1. Amazing but....
I was flicking through and old Evo and they recorded the Veyron 0-200 time as 28.6 seconds. Autocar put the F1's at 28 seconds dead. I don't know how comparable the test conditions were but on the face of it, the F1 wouldn't need any headstart and would still be quicker to 200mph.
It seems the McLaren may have been dealt an injustice!
I read that the veyron's 0-200 time is 24 seconds.I was flicking through and old Evo and they recorded the Veyron 0-200 time as 28.6 seconds. Autocar put the F1's at 28 seconds dead. I don't know how comparable the test conditions were but on the face of it, the F1 wouldn't need any headstart and would still be quicker to 200mph.
It seems the McLaren may have been dealt an injustice!
coley20 said:
Do we think its correct about the race fixing?
Only in so far as a 'discipline' was chosen which favoured the Veyron.IIRC the F1 led for a bit and then the Veyron came back past. So if the race distance had been shorter (i.e. finished during the phase the F1 led) then the F1 would have won.
It was always clear to me that on a long run the Veyron's massive power would lead to it winning. The F1's top speed is 243mph (with rev limiter off) and the Veyron's top speed is 253mph. Given a long enough drag strip (motorway) they will both eventually reach 'terminal velocity' at which point the Veyron hauls in the F1 at 10mph so given enough distance the Veyron will always win (assuming they don't both run out of fuel!).
So what I'm saying is that it comes down the the lenght of the track, which in the case of the TV stunt suited the Veyron better.
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