This new car 1st year road tax hike...

[hornetrider]

...how does it work? I've just bought a brand new car, haggled my OTR price (which includes 12 months road tax), and nothing has been mentioned? What's the deal with it, anyone know?

[Ozzie Osmond]

hornetrider said:

I've just bought a brand new car, haggled my OTR price (which includes

A. 12 months road tax), and
B. nothing has been mentioned?

Well how did you manage getting A and B into the same sentence? It's a logical impossibility. If 12 months road tax is included then obviously it has been mentioned!

With a brand new car road tax is the least of your worries. Welcome to the world of depreciation.

[hornetrider]

I've negotiated an OTR price with the dealer. 'OTR' for a new car means inclusive of 12 months RFL. No mention has been made of higher charges to pay because of the new government 'incentives'. I'm thinking its all just in with the cost of the car (which is uber discounted anyway!)

[Illustrious_Lou]

So what band is the new car in though as some have gone down?

[hornetrider]

It's 181g/km so Band I I think.

[Illustrious_Lou]

199 CO2 is £425 so I think yours is now £300, so around £100 more.

Just remember at the end of the day the dealer has already given you a good deal you say, so the increase will come out of their pocket.

All well and good screwing for an excellent deal but if the dealer cannot make enough to stay in business because everyone is screwing them for loads of money off, who is going to carry out any warranty work you need done to your new P&J? Anyone who thinks they make bundles is sadly way behind the times...

[hornetrider]

Nice sermon padre

I'm happy with my deal and presumably will take it wherever the hell I want for warranty work, it doesn't have to be the supplying dealer.

[rypt]

Illustrious_Lou said:

who is going to carry out any warranty work you need done to your new P&J?

Warranty is with manufacturer and not dealer, so it is for the manufacturer to sort that one out

[slipstream 1985]

on the above are the general public really this nieve? oh i got a good deal on a new car.... dealer gave me £xxxxs off the price. they give 1000s of pounds off a price they make up!! same as when people say x dealer gave me more for my p/x. aston martin could give me £10,000 for my banger doesnt make it a better deal.

[hornetrider]

slipstream 1985 said:

on the above are the general public really this nieve? oh i got a good deal on a new car.... dealer gave me £xxxxs off the price. they give 1000s of pounds off a price they make up!! same as when people say x dealer gave me more for my p/x. aston martin could give me £10,000 for my banger doesnt make it a better deal.

Whoa there Einstein! Are you comparing an AM list price to a trade-in offer on a second hand vehicle? Your post makes absolutely no sense.

[slipstream 1985]

my point being il give you £7000 off a new car. what a deal eh sign here ........ you then haggle me from there to end up at £8500 off.
ok deal done sign here ............

[hornetrider]

Again please, in English?

[busta]

I think he's trying to say £10k cars are priced at £15k so we all feel good when we haggle them back down to £10k.

Which is of course true. But I don't really see an alternative?

And it has nothing to do with tax :S

Edited by busta on Monday 26th April 23:26

[hornetrider]

No, there is no alternative, it's not like manufacturers will give them away now is it. We are talkikng new cars here, not used bargins. And as you say, nowt to do with tax. Still, I'll take my circa 23% discount and be relatively insulated from major depreciation woes.

[Ozzie Osmond]

hornetrider said:

I'll take my circa 23% discount and be relatively insulated from major depreciation woes.

Nope. 23% depreciation before it even left the showroom! Just the start of the slippery slope...

[Hitch78]

Ozzie Osmond said:

hornetrider said:

I'll take my circa 23% discount and be relatively insulated from major depreciation woes.

Nope. 23% depreciation before it even left the showroom! Just the start of the slippery slope...

If new cars lose an average of say 60% from LIST PRICE in the first three years then HR has done well to gain a discount of 23% and has mitigated his loss as best he can. If you buy almost any car you face depreciation; the decision is simply at what stage of the curve you chose to begin and end your ownership experience - a decision which is entirely personal and based on factors such as personal wealth, disposable income, image, reliability and waranty amongst other things.

HR has found a deal which is good for him and meets his needs. He has done well.

[hornetrider]

Couldn't have put it better myself! Purchase price circa 16.5, three year old examples at 13 or so. Of course it'll depreciate but hey I'm in a brand new car, it's cool. As said I've mitigated the losses as much as I can. Minimal running costs offset the depreciation too.

Fiver is in the post hitch!

[Illustrious_Lou]

rypt said:

Illustrious_Lou said:

who is going to carry out any warranty work you need done to your new P&J?

Warranty is with manufacturer and not dealer, so it is for the manufacturer to sort that one out

But Manufacturers do not have dealerships who actually carry out the work, they only pay a proprotion of the cost of it...

[rypt]

Illustrious_Lou said:

rypt said:

Illustrious_Lou said:

who is going to carry out any warranty work you need done to your new P&J?

Warranty is with manufacturer and not dealer, so it is for the manufacturer to sort that one out

But Manufacturers do not have dealerships who actually carry out the work, they only pay a proprotion of the cost of it...

It's for the manufacturer to sort out warranty work though, so it doesn't matter if the dealers all die as they will have to find some way of doing it.

[Shmee150]

Ordered a new car in December knowing it would come May (next week) with £550 showroom tax, but dealer obviously didn't mention it until very recently, fortunately I knew it was coming.