RE: Lotus Sends Volume Cars On A Diet
RE: Lotus Sends Volume Cars On A Diet
Thursday 29th April 2010

Lotus Sends Volume Cars On A Diet

Design study shows how to cut vehicle mass by 38 per cent within a decade



Lotus has shown mainstream manufacturers just how lardy their cars are, with a study that has revealed they could chop 38 per cent of a mainstream production car’s weight at a cost increase of just 3 per cent.

The study, conducted by Lotus Engineering and the International Council on Clean Transportation, focused on the use of lightweight materials and efficient design and demonstrated substantial mass savings.

The Lotus team used the US-market Toyota Venza crossover as a benchmark and, having carefully dissected one, reckon that vehicle mass (excluding the powertrain) could be reduced by more than a third – and that the technology required could be on stream by 2020 for a mere 3 per cent increase in component costs.


Lotus says this would be achieved through a mixture of stronger and lighter materials, dramatically increased component integration, and advanced joining and assembly techniques.

Despite its crash diet, the lightweight passenger concept developed by Lotus shares all key interior volumes, safety levels, vision, sight line, and interior comfort with the benchmarked Venza.

Lotus has also produced a second concept – one that would be production-viable by 2017 – which shaves 21 per cent from the mass of the Toyota.

Today's Toyota Venza
Today's Toyota Venza
"Lighter vehicles are cleaner and more efficient. That philosophy has always been core to Lotus's approach to vehicle engineering and is now more relevant than ever. Lightweight Architectures and Efficient Performance are just two of our core competencies,” says Dr Robert Hentschel, Director of Lotus Engineering. “We believe that this approach will be commonplace in the industry for the future design of vehicles."

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Hellbound

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2,515 posts

207 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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The technology 'could be' available by 2020?

Here's my design study for a Ferrari Enzo;

You could cut weight by 59% at an operational cost increase of only 9%. The technology to do this 'may be available' by 2050.

smile

soad

34,721 posts

207 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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At last someone is talking sense.

shouldbworking

4,801 posts

243 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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article said:
Lotus says this would be achieved through a mixture of stronger and lighter materials, dramatically increased component integration, and advanced joining and assembly techniques. This will increase unit cost by approximately 200%. Another alternative would be to throw out all the pointless rubbish and the premise that quality is defined by amount of sound deadening material
Fixed it

FunkyNige

9,850 posts

306 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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So no specifics on what they actually did?

cliffie

172 posts

249 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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C'mon, this is British Engineering at its very best.

These are the guys that managed an 725KG mid engined mass produced sports car 16 years ago. Why disbelieve them now?

5lab

1,942 posts

227 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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38% of non-drivetrain weight, so 25% of overall weight? But at what cost? I like carpets in my daily driver..

Furyblade_Lee

4,114 posts

255 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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Hallelujah! About bloody time.

Miklad

51 posts

226 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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Yes yes yes.


Now where's that flipping new Esprit??!!!

Hunky Dory

1,096 posts

236 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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cliffie said:
C'mon, this is British Engineering at its very best.
Done by the US arm of Lotus Engineering... wink

Does anyone have any links to the actual report and content, rather than the reproduced press release stuff that is all I can find? I would actually be interested to read it.

MrTappets

881 posts

222 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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Brilliant! A bit of common sense!

andy_s

19,857 posts

290 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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Very good and certainly the way ahead.

Baltic Trait

6,636 posts

245 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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One of the best things about British engineering is that we don't just make parts 'better', we invent unique solutions which allow us to stay ahead of the game and throw curve balls at our competitors. Speculating as an Mechanical Engineer, I am almost certain that this is what Lotus have done.

Edited by Baltic Trait on Thursday 29th April 13:10

leon9191

752 posts

224 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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cliffie said:
C'mon, this is British Engineering at its very best.

These are the guys that managed an 725KG mid engined mass produced sports car 16 years ago. Why disbelieve them now?
Because isnt that very same sports car quite a bit heavier today?

Not saying the couldnt par the weight down a bit but 38% would be like cutting it in two.

Gixer_fan

290 posts

229 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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Mind you, on a SUV like that, it shouldn't be too difficult to the reduce the weight. Probably weighs 2.5 tonnes to start with.
Funny how bike manufacturers have progressively been able to reduce the weight of their products - whilst improving safety and performance.

edo

16,699 posts

296 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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clap to Lotus. Keep up the good work boys and girls.

alexpa

685 posts

203 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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They need to do the same to the Evora!!!

FunkyNige

9,850 posts

306 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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Whole press release is here, including a link to a PDF of the specifics (come on PH, why do I have to do the legwork? You know we will want to know the nuts and bolts of a story like this)

http://www.grouplotus.com/mediacentre_pressrelease...

tridave

249 posts

234 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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Gixer_fan said:
Mind you, on a SUV like that, it shouldn't be too difficult to the reduce the weight. Probably weighs 2.5 tonnes to start with.
Funny how bike manufacturers have progressively been able to reduce the weight of their products - whilst improving safety and performance.
Yepp Toyota weighs a hefty 2200kg

US Honda accord 1630kg

25% weight reduction today.

Where do I send my Invoice for my vehicle weight study biggrin

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

277 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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cliffie said:
C'mon, this is British Engineering at its very best. These are the guys that managed an 725KG mid engined mass produced sports car 16 years ago. Why disbelieve them now?
Because the smallest model of the same car now weighs 860Kg!!!!

Draexin

147 posts

201 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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"Lighter vehicles are cleaner and more efficient. That philosophy has always been core to Lotus's approach to vehicle engineering".
Really? I've never heard Colin say he designed the Seven to be as kind to the environment as possible... wink

Anyway, I was sort of hoping they'd already made the car instead of just telling us it'd be possible within 10 years...
Nonetheless, it's a step in the right direction that I hope many manufacturers will also take. (Mazda already being one of them)

Edited by Draexin on Thursday 29th April 14:08